Which grappler would be the best for MMA?

[chuck#1]

Out of the top grapplers in the world who haven't yet made a career in MMA(I still include Jacare and Roger) who would make the best fighter? I think Jacare because he has the most potential. What do you guys think?

 

[GuardGame]

DEFINITELY Jacare over Roger..

Roger's takedowns friggin SUCK compared to Jacare's..In MMA, especially if ur a BJJ'er transitioning to MMA, you better have some good takedowns..

With that said, Jacare has A LOT more potential than Roger in MMA..In my biased opinion of course

 

[The_Twister]

Marcelo Garcia, most of the guys at his weight are grapplers or the strikers don`t have heavy hands. At LHW/HW there are a lot of great strikers with ko power and wrestlers with great gnp who would give Roger and Jacare a lot of problems.

 

[killer_kicks88]

Marcelo Garcia, most of the guys at his weight are grapplers or the strikers don`t have heavy hands. At LHW/HW there are a lot of great strikers with ko power and wrestlers with great gnp who would give Roger and Jacare a lot of problems.

i dig the vote for marcelo myself...except for the fact that he plays a loose and open back game...his x guard leaves him way to open for punches and what not IMO...but, he could probably take everyones back and just choke them...so I'm gonna vote for marcelo...or saulo (apperently he has pretty tight muay thai)

 

[Yojimbo]

leozinho

 

[hayliks]

i vote against marcello because much of his bottom game is VERY grappling oriented and he would find himself in a lot of trouble eating a lot of strikes trying to do some of the techniques he's made famous.

my vote would go out to jacare

 

[bjjbryce]

I'm torn, but I will say this in Marcelo's defense . . .

First, he takes the back like none other, but no one is debating that. Also, i am a big fan of the X-guard and have been working on it a lot recently.

I've also felt the X-guard of good grapplers, and so I can say from first hand experience: It's hard enough to just be standing when a good grappler has X-guard on you, let alone to wind up and throw a punch, sacrificing your base in the process. All the best grapplers on earth do their damnedest just to keep on all fours in Marelinho's X-guard. How many people in his weight class have good enough base to stand there and drop bombs on him, esp. when he's got them doing russian splits? :icon_twis I'm not saying he'll just smoke dudes by playing from the bottom, but I don't think the X-guard will get him in as much trouble as some might think. Also, the list of guys who can put him on his back is not long, but if someone like Sherk did, I think Marcelo would be better off playing X-guard then full guard (esp cause Sherk's short arms couldn't reach that low - J/k).

Also, let's not forget that he's not even that big for his weightclass, and with work he could definitely fight 155. Granted this is a new class for the UFC without too many big names, and though it would be quite a fight between him and Sherk, the class is small enough that they could each share the spotlight, smoking other competitors and building the tension, for a while before clashing for the title.

Also, unless you are a big fan of his, you may not know that Marcelo got involved with BJJ specifically because he wanted to fight MMA one day. Though he is a nice, quiet guy, he's got what it takes to train like a machine and be a top fighter.

Despite all that . . . Jacare is a Monster. At 185, I doubt there are a dozen guys on earth who could out perform him for sheer physical strength, conditioning, and athleticism (he looked like he weighed 210 when he rolled with Randy). His speed and power are easily comparable with fighters like Franklyn (superior IMHO), and he could obviously eat Anderson Silva on the ground. I think that after a good handful of fights, he could be ready to handle the striking of someone like Silva long enough to force ground action. From there, let's face it, the guy's a finisher all the way. Too bad it seems we won't see him in the UFC!

Sorry for the long winded post. I hope I meet with much disagreement, i love a good argument :icon_chee .

cheers.

 

[hayliks]

ever tried getting an x guard when somebody's hitting you in the face? let alone being there? it's a completely different story. and to say his fight with sherk would be good? i think sherk would mangle him. also if you watch marcello's no gi fights and imagine if the guy could just punch or elbow him from various positions, i think you'd change your perspective, if you don't believe me, try training it with light strikes. i know i couldn't pull x guard because i was getting hit, i know i'm not marcello, but it really leaves you in a shitty position mma wise. also his only solid takedown is his armdrag, which he will have a TON of difficulty getting in mma.

 

[bjjbryce]

You are certainly right, in that jumping down to X-guard from standing would be stupid for anyone in MMA. But I was never suggesting the Marcelo go for the X-guard initally. I was merely discussing what would happen if Marcelo, while on the bottom, quickly transitioned to it, say from a deep half guard where the guy on top was frantically trying not to get swept. Again, when he actually has a guy his size in X-guard, that guy's feet are often off the ground and his hands are on the ground to keep balance (renzo fight prime example). Many mma fights show skillful grapplers sweeping from the bottom, and when they do it correctly, the often don't get hit because their opponent is using his hands to try to maintain base.

Yes, I have seen virtually every piece of footage there is on marcelo garcia. But to say that the stuff he was doing would get him punched applies to every BJJ fighter's no gi fighting . . . ever. They all do stuff you wouldn't do in mma. So I don't see the point of making that statiment. If I was fighting in the ADCC agains Jacare, i bet i could bunch him in the mouth while we were hand fighting, since he wouldn't be defending his face. Does that mean i could punch him in the mouth in a fight? Doubtful.

Right now, Garcia would get wrecked by Sherk. Absoultely correct. I should have clarified that I meant, if Garcia got into MMA and trained seriously for it for a long time, which he has yet to do, he might have a shot down the road at competing with someone like Sherk. Since he has no striking as of right now (to the public's knowledge), he would of course not be competitive in mma. But if ken flo can at least give Sherk a little trouble (not knocking the elbow-cut-wizzard, just saying), I bet Marcelo could too, if for no other reason than Marcelo's physical superiority to Kenflo as far as speed.

Touch

 

[PhxJudoJujitsu]

I'd say US Olympic Judo team member Justin Flores. Along with being a member of the US Olympic Judo team, he also was a 3 time all american in wrestling at Nebraska

 

[Samurai Jack]

Xande Ribeiro. He has good takedowns, sweeps, top control and is going for submissions.

I read somewhere that he has been boxing for some time.

He could be force at LHW.

 

[Samurai Jack]

Margarida also.

I dont count Maia because he is 5-0 against decent opponents.