Which branch is superior - The Air Force or The Navy?

Perhaps he got the job he wanted and really ended up liking it and the others got stuck with something they didn't want or didn't intend?

I know people like to make jokes at the expensive of the USCG, but their basic training is no joke. The intensity is nearly to the level of Marine Corps boot camp.

On the flip side, you show up to Air Force BMT and it's like arriving at summer camp. :D

Shots fired! Shots fired!:D

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Remember with Delta officially they don't even exist. There is no unit designator, they normally use a SF tab like the one you posted but it isn't the Delta unit designator. There are a few books by Delta operators but for the most part they keep pretty quiet just like the British SAS. I work with a guy that was a Navy SBD operator which basically drive the small boats to deliver the SEALs and the ongoing joke at this time is when you get your budweiser badge you also get your name added to a publishers' directory for when you want to write your book. The SEALs have a real problem with that right now but it seems to have died down some recently. When I was in you had to be at least an E 5 to apply to Delta, again I've read articles that they recruit from other services but I have nothing to confirm that.

Yeah, it seems like retired SEALs put out more books than anyone else, though I've seen and read books from pretty much every other unit as well. But it definitely does seem like the SEAL books outnumber the others by quite a bit.

I've heard that Delta recruits from every branch as well, but the main bulk of guys who go are SF, Rangers, and Airborne soldiers.

Anyone here that's in the Army and been to Fort Bragg, have you ever seen the Delta compound?

Never served with either, so I have no dog in this fight. But I'd say Pararescue are every bit as elite as SEAL's. PJ training takes almost two years to complete, and the attrition rate is north of 80%. PJ's have to achieve very high levels of fitness and master a broad skill set. Their training pipeline includes Army Airborne School, Air Force Combat Diver Course, Air Force Basic Survival School and Army Free Fall School. Their specialist Paramedic/EMT training alone takes well over a year. In addition to their core skill set, PJ's are intensively trained in various weapons.

The biggest difference is the whole medical portion of it. PJs have to learn to become paramedics in basically 1/6th the time it takes civilians to become paramedics, and there's the combat emphasis on top of it. So that's why their attrition rate is so high. I remember reading that during the medical phase, not only do they have to read, comprehend, and retain over 100 pages of info PER DAY, but they have to do this on top of incorporating the combat stuff into it, and then bring it all together in an incredibly short amount of time. Those who fail any tests more than twice are dropped. Academically, that's about as brutal as I could ever imagine. Especially to be badass enough to make it through all the other training and then come up short because you couldn't get through the medical portion. That'd be absolutely devastating.

Well, for one, the class is way smaller. Instructor to student ratio is much different from BUDs. That translates into a lot more instructors giving you shit and watching your every move compared to BUDs. Army divers spend 10 weeks in Basic Combat Training before taking the Combat Diver Qualification Course for seven weeks. No, no weekends off, unless they have changed things.

I don't know if you have ever gone through 2 months of excruciating military training with no weekends off. It plays with your mind. It is a psychological game. I could put up with just about anything for 5 days of the week knowing I would have the weekend to recover. Sleep and eat. Things don't work like that in elite Army schools. I think the U.S. Navy has a different mentality when it comes to that. I'm not just saying this because I was a soldier in the Army. I have a lot of respect for Navy SEALs but the weekends off during training really makes the whole thing much, much easier.

Basic Combat Training? Isn't that boot camp?

BUD/s starts out pretty big but by the time they get to dive phase the class is less than half the size of what it was on day 1. Plus, they begin Dive Phase immediately after the brutality of Phase 1, so they go into it extremely beat down. Don't the Army Combat Diver guys start fresh? Meaning it's a bunch of Rangers and Green Berets who want that diver designation so they show up fresh from their unit? That makes a big difference as well.

Sounds like the reverse of how BUD/s does it. Dive Phase first then Land Warfare/Combat phase next. Then they go even further in SQT which, I believe, the only days they get off are the days spent traveling from one aspect of training to another (such as going from cold weather training in Alaska to jump training in the lower 48). Otherwise they're always on. Training ramps up as this is where they earn their tridents.


As for weekends in phase 1 and 2, I think whatever they do get off, you're reading way too much into it. The ocean plays a great equalizer and a most other units don't have to deal with the ocean to the same degree as BUD/s students or SEALs. Dive Phase is roughly 2 months in the cold, murky Pacific, but in BUD/s overall, you're in the ocean day in and day out for all 6 months. Wet and sandy almost every single day, all day. The toll that takes is unimaginable. That's excruciating.

No, that's the U.S. Army Special Operations Command (USASOC) patch, but yes, any Delta guys will wear that patch as a unit patch. But you also have way more soldiers who are not Delta wearing that patch. Delta is really the 1st Special Forces Operational Detachment.

Yeah, supposedly PSYOPS guys use that patch as well. But any pic of any unit operator I've ever seen has had this patch on their uniform (mainly guys who've either died after retirement or been KIA). So it definitely seems like it's the patch they prefer to wear, even though it's not specifically theirs.

Have you, or anyone that's been in the Army, ever came across a guy wearing this patch on his uniform?
 
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I was always under the impression that Air Force was the best branch and employed the smartest people.
 
From what I've heard the women that passed the Ranger course did it on their own and most of the rumors about "special ladders" "instructions to pass at least one" and so on are nothing but rumors. I know everyone "knows someone that heard from someone" but the truth is if it were truly a problem there would have been a huge outcry.

IDK. You have to keep in mind that this social experiment was started during the Obongo years and they were politicizing it pretty heavily, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if at some level someone mandated that a woman was to get through no matter what. The main thing I heard was that they basically gave the women unlimited chances to pass anything they failed. So they could keep attempting until it was passed. And allegedly the cadre weren't as strict with them as they were the men, or as hyper critical.

As far as people making a fuss, I've heard several in the Spec Ops community take issue with women mixing with the men and saying that in some instances standards were not being adhered to, or wouldn't be adhered to. So..... IDK. Whether it's true or not, it's a bad idea all around.

I know Ranger school is the leadership course and isn't RASP, but still..... it just seems silly to mix men and women, especially when things were working perfectly prior. No reason to change what works just to be "inclusive" and make certain people "feel good."

Either way though, I think the best thing they can do is create an all-female unit and give them their own mission.



Fun fact: a women got into the SEAL pipeline (I think last year, or the year before) and didn't even make it through indoc. Literally they weren't even to Day 1, Week 1, Phase 1 and she dropped out.
 
I was always under the impression that Air Force was the best branch and employed the smartest people.

Supposedly they have the best living conditions.

As for smartest people, that's not necessarily true. There's brilliant people in each branch.
 
Either way though, I think the best thing they can do is create an all-female unit and give them their own mission.

You are joking right? Like all negro or Japanese units in WWII? Both did extremely well in the U.S. Army by the way. Not in this day and age. Now you have gays serving openly also. Like I mentioned before, I don't have a problem with women in the military, just not in a combat MOS. As you mentioned, very few women are interested in serving in a combat role or joining the SEALs, Special Forces, and Rangers. Having a vast number of women coming home in coffins or with missing limbs is not something the American public is ready to digest. No doubt a very small number of women could do well in a leadership position in combat or complete SEAL training, but I don't think these women are interested. The other issue is sexual. Women with men in isolated situations in a combat environment present all sorts of problems. Men want to have sex and become possessive of their female unit member. Also, females using the latrine or shower has problems of its own with men around.
 
You are joking right? Like all negro or Japanese units in WWII? Both did extremely well in the U.S. Army by the way. Not in this day and age. Now you have gays serving openly also. Like I mentioned before, I don't have a problem with women in the military, just not in a combat MOS. As you mentioned, very few women are interested in serving in a combat role or joining the SEALs, Special Forces, and Rangers. Having a vast number of women coming home in coffins or with missing limbs is not something the American public is ready to digest. No doubt a very small number of women could do well in a leadership position in combat or complete SEAL training, but I don't think these women are interested. The other issue is sexual. Women with men in isolated situations in a combat environment present all sorts of problems. Men want to have sex and become possessive of their female unit member. Also, females using the latrine or shower has problems of its own with men around.

I just mean if the dumbasses who opened the combat jobs to women force the military to keep it that way, I'd rather see an all-female combat unit than women mixing with men, especially for the reasons you mentioned. Outside of a spy situation where you need men and women together in order to blend in, there's really no good reason to mix teams, even if the woman is capable of making it through training.

Speaking of maintaining standards, the military already makes it easier for women in basic training and A-school by having their individual physical standards be lower and easier than mens. I fear that if this bullshit keeps up and women are allowed to try out for combat and spec ops teams, some high ranking bureaucrat will mandate that women must be given easier standards (ala basic training) because of "inclusion" or "sexism" or some shit. And it won't matter who bitches about it, they will be given orders to just shut up and do it. I really, really hope it doesn't end up that way.

Repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell made all the libs "feel good" but it's pointless for military readiness and war fighting. Same with the tranny bullshit. Unfortunately, because of politics, I don't ever see them bringing back Don't Ask, Don't Tell, but hopefully they can nip the tranny crap in the butt before it really takes hold and begins to spread. Ban them outright from serving.

Hopefully at some point we can put this madness behind us.
 
I just mean if the dumbasses who opened the combat jobs to women force the military to keep it that way, I'd rather see an all-female combat unit than women mixing with men, especially for the reasons you mentioned. Outside of a spy situation where you need men and women together in order to blend in, there's really no good reason to mix teams, even if the woman is capable of making it through training.

Speaking of maintaining standards, the military already makes it easier for women in basic training and A-school by having their individual physical standards be lower and easier than mens. I fear that if this bullshit keeps up and women are allowed to try out for combat and spec ops teams, some high ranking bureaucrat will mandate that women must be given easier standards (ala basic training) because of "inclusion" or "sexism" or some shit. And it won't matter who bitches about it, they will be given orders to just shut up and do it. I really, really hope it doesn't end up that way.

Repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell made all the libs "feel good" but it's pointless for military readiness and war fighting. Same with the tranny bullshit. Unfortunately, because of politics, I don't ever see them bringing back Don't Ask, Don't Tell, but hopefully they can nip the tranny crap in the butt before it really takes hold and begins to spread. Ban them outright from serving.

Hopefully at some point we can put this madness behind us.

Thing is, with advancing technology, it's not necessary for a woman to be kicking in doors if she wants to get some trigger time. There are female Apache pilots for example. There are also elite Special Operations Units like Intelligence Support Activity or the British SRR that specialise in covert intelligence gathering. Women can excel at that type of job, because the bad guys often underestimate them.

But allowing women to serve with units like the SAS, SEAL Teams, Delta etc is just fucking stupid.
 
Yeah, it seems like retired SEALs put out more books than anyone else, though I've seen and read books from pretty much every other unit as well. But it definitely does seem like the SEAL books outnumber the others by quite a bit.

I've heard that Delta recruits from every branch as well, but the main bulk of guys who go are SF, Rangers, and Airborne soldiers.

Anyone here that's in the Army and been to Fort Bragg, have you ever seen the Delta compound?

When I was at Bragg there was so much speculation and rumor (the general ranks of the military are great at both anyways) about the "Delta compound". There were "off limits" and "top secret/authorized personnel only" places all over Bragg and everyone thought they found the Delta compound. To be honest for all I know it was right next to the base bowling alley and never knew it. They are actually very good at hiding their identity, I would presume mostly by blending in with everyone else and no one being none the wiser.. As I said from my time in at AIT, jump school, Ft Stewart and Ft Bragg I'd met, interacted with or trained with Rangers, Marines, Marine force recon, pathfinders, MEU, GBs, SEALs, PJs, FACs and some very charming gentlemen from Latin American countries attending the school of the Americas that rumor had it were very similar to the Salazar character in Fear the Walking Dead, although from what I witnessed reminded me more of teenagers on their first sleep over with the amount of porn, booze and cheap guns and other weapons (I remember finding a bunch of boxes for the "throwing stars" when I had to clean their barracks once) they were buying, but I for the life of me could not ever make a claim to have ever met someone from Delta. The closest thing I ever heard was an NCO telling a story that about them recruiting for NCOs at the same time as SF (have to remember this was back when you had to be an E 5 to try out for SF or in some MOSs be an E 4 promotable). He told us some crazy story about the recruits being shoved into 55 gallon drums for transport to the training, i hold that at the same level as being told at the start of jump school that (when I was in it was called RIP) RASP volunteers had to low crawl through garbage out of the company area at jump school to get to the initial Ranger volunteer training area, which was total bullshit at the end of jump school they just asked "anyone want to volunteer for the Ranger Indoctrination Program? Bunch of guys volunteered, walked over checked in at a desk then boarded a bus. Again, rumor and speculation in the military is at a whole different level.
 
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I remember in HS when recruiters would come and try to convince people to join their branch. These navy dudes were like, “you don’t have to worry about going and fighting, you stay on the ship and launch missiles. Plus, you travel the world!” Even back then i was like, riiight.
 
Someone’s going to have to press harder than the weekends off being why SEAL training is not what it is all cracked up to be. You chose to give it a shot even though it was not a very good shot.
 
There are way more movies and TV shows about the Navy because Navy has ships, underwater boats, planes, ground special forces, and Marines can be lump in too.

The Air Force has Independence Day, and Air Force One. Navy has JAG, NCIS, The Last Ship, movies like Crimson Tide, Hunt for Red October, U571, The Sand Pebbles, Midway, Pearl Harbor, Behind Enemy Lines (underrated), Tora Tora Tora, Navy Seals (w/Charlie Sheen), The Final Countdown.

I guess Air Force is getting Captain Marvel.
 
If I was enlisting? Air Force for sure! More respect. Better women. Cleaner living. No motion sickness on a boat.

If I was guessing who's more badass I'd say Navy b/c they have their own planes too.
 
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