Whey/Casein Blend superior to Whey Post workout

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  1. Btwestyo

    Btwestyo Yellow Belt

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    Ive heard from multiple sources and Berardi himself has said that Casein/whey blends are better than just whey alone post workout. What do you guys think about this considering most ppl advocate whey only and say that casein isnt good PWO?
     
  2. ozzie

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    Can you show us the Berardi article you are referring to? I'd be interested to read it. I've only heard Berardi talk about protein, I just assumed it was 100% whey.
    Also, does anyone know if Berardi recommends hydrolyzed whey/casein? Or will micro/cross/ultra-filtered suffice?
     
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    "Milk protein blends are best as they contain both slow and fast-digesting proteins" -JB from Grapplers guide

    "Whey, while having a higher BV (Biological Value), has been outperformed by casein simply because of its fast rate of digestion and absorption. It increases anabolism quickly and to a large extent, but these effects are short lived. In fact, it was shown that although amino acid concentrations increased with whey, oxidation rates also increased, creating a steady state ****bolism in which there was no change in overall protein balance. It's possible, however, that whey could match casein if you were to combine it with some type of low GI carb and a little fat and continually ingest it every two hours. But, that's a big pain in the ass, as well as the wallet!

    That being said, my idea of the perfect type of protein would be a combo of casein and whey. This is because of the fact that whey, while having a greater anabolic response and better BV, lacks the steady absorption rate of casein. Combine the two and pow! you've got one hell of a team! What one lacks, the other compliments." - JB

    http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/proroundtable.htm
     
  4. T_Money_

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    The second article isn't even from JB, its by CW. Later on, JB defends whey's greatness. Also, are you sure that the GG quote is in regards to PWO, b/c we all know JB recommends blends for all times other than PWO. Plus, i KNOW i've seen JB recommend whey PWO more recently than when he wrote GG.
     
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    ur right woops. but i know berardi does say that whey/casein blends are better than just whey post workout. He states that in his postworkout shakes are a milk protein blend (casein/whey) blend rather just pure whey. Also not just berardi but other sources claim this as well.

    From Muscle and Fitness "Better still is mixing whey with casein postworkout...Researchers found that this combination better stimulates muscle growth than whey alone."
     
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    Whey protein gets into the bloodstream quickly to help begin muscle repair, while casein takes a long time to digest, thus preventing the breakdown of muscle tissue for several hours.

    The combo of whey and casein is ideal for those reasons.
     
  7. T_Money_

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    You keep saying this but provide no reference. I could give you multiple ones where he says the opposite. So, where's the beef?
     
  8. Ziltoid

    Ziltoid In search for the Ultimate cup of Coffee

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    I just downloaded John Berardi - No Nonsense Nutrition. It comes with a few (DVD)videos, shows him in the lab explaining some experiments, nutrition and all that good stuff...also a shopping list. He even shows some cooking with onw of his clients, lol! He also mentioned to use Protein blend...casein/whey.
     
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    1. I don't see any harm in taking casein PWO. In fact, it may be beneficial since there is some research that shows casein does not slow down the absorption of whey.

    2. All the shit posted so far about what Berardi says about casein and PWO is taken out of context. You guys are taking general recommendations and applying it to specific events. I'm sure Berardi doesn
     
  10. Vedic

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    Some people consider his word as god. Look guys. A LOT of you are splitting hairs over something that most likely wouldn't matter to 99% of you. Keep it to the basics. Once you can bench, deadlift, and squat twice your weight, then you might need some tweaking:)
     
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    I'm too lazy to do the search right now but I'm pretty certain there's a thread out there that already talks about Hydrolyzed Casein vs. Hydrolyzed Whey for PWO. I'm pretty sure the thread stated that while Hydrolyzed Casein is technically better the differences in absorption time are negligible compared to the bitter taste and high price of Hydrolyzed Casein.

    However, someone on this board has recently purchased a mix of Hydrolyzed Whey and Hydrolyzed Casein (85-15) and they like it a lot for PWO.
     
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    Ok, I might be completely pulling this out of my ass, but I seem to remember a few months back reading a study where whey, whey + casein, and casein were consumed post-workout. The results were whey + casein > whey > casein. Conclusions were that whey would help muscle repair, but casein would facilitate anabolism. Again, I haven't been able to find it since and am beginning to have suspicions that I actually dreamt it.
     
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    whey + casein blend is better. I think whey by itself can take 1-2 hours to be fully absorbed, and casein can take 7 hours. So once the whey is gone, your body still has casein available. Without the casein, you have to eat something else pretty soon after to prevent catabolism
     
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    He implicitly states this. If you read grapplers guide to sports nutrition he reccomends you drink a supershake PWO exclusively. The main ingredients in the super shake are 1 cup of either 1 water or grean tea and 2 scoops of a Milk Protein Isolate.
     
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    I've been taking a Quatro blend. Whey isolate, Milk protein isolate, casein and egg white protein. Along with all that is has some CLA and bromelain for digestion. It seems to working just fine.

    I don't feel like fucking around with 3 different proteins for peri, PWO and before bed.
     
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    i like this thinking
     
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    very good rate im so confused now. is it not a smart idea to drink whey with milk because milk will simply nullify the fast digesting whey?
     
  19. Vedic

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    *sigh* milk will not slow the digestion of whey.
     
  20. ronin0352

    ronin0352 Lift, Eat, Sleep, Repeat

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    That's almost exactly what I take for my throughout the night shakes, but I added a little hemp protein just to try it. (I work nights, 12-hour shifts) My PWO is WMS, whey, and egg white protein. Gotta love trueprotein custom blends. I only got the seperate one for PWO cause I have read/heard so much about taking carbs & protein together PWO. I like the results so far
     

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