where would I learn leg lock moves

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  1. abhi

    abhi Green Belt

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    I do BJJ but they dont really teach those moves

    ankle lock, inverted ankle lock, knee bar, toe hold and any other Ken Shamrock type moves
     
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    a lot of schools don't teach leg locks until purple belt or high blue belt level you can get some instructional videos and practice with someone if you can't wait or just ask a higher belt to show u some stuff
     
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    abhi Green Belt

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    ok thanks, as I am only a white belt.

    I know you have to learn the basics but I just never seen anyone in my school do those type of moves
     
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    yea i would guess your instructor just doesn't allow them my friend trains at a school where the only leg lock allowed is achiles at my school however i was taught the kneebar on my 3rd day and we use all leg locks day to day (obviously we don't crank heel hooks or anything)
     
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    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    White belts in BJJ don't learn footlocks because most instructors agree you need to learn control, positioning and basic upper body subs before learning leglocks as they can cause a lot of damage unless executed cleanly, even more when executed cleanly in the case of a heelhook.
     
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    Heal hooks and ankle locks usually are not shown to begginners do to their lack of control. If you want to study them on your own I put about 30 of them on a video. I personally love to work the legs when I roll because most people do not practice ankle locks and do not know how to escape form them.

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    They don't teach leglocks at your school!? Wow.
     
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    flyingknee16 Brown Belt

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    i went to this new school the other day and i rolled with this one guy there, he was pretty good and had lots of good control and decent guard passing abilities, but when i fall back for the achilles after passing his guard he had a look on his face like GOD FORBID and looked like he was scared, literally lost and did not know what to do. point is: learn leglocks. :)
     
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    I do more Muay thai but Im a blue belt and had to go to a seperate gym to learn leg locks
     
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    I don't buy the "beginner's can't control themselves and should not be taught" argument. A good instructor can teach anything to beginners as long as there is proper control and supervision from the his or her end. If you let beginners go off and work unsupervised with any technique - someone can get hurt. If you start learning leg locks from the beginning, the student learns the proper control needed from the beginning and will have a more complete game from the beginning as they grow. Sambo players have always done leg locks from day one and have no more injuries than any other type of grappling. It is not about the danger of the technique, it is about instructor supervision. Lack of supervision is what leads to serious dangers in the dojo.
     
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    Foolkiller You have meddled with the primal forces of nature!

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    So you've never known anyone that's got injured by an overzealous noob cranking a leglock because "they do it in UFC" at all? I've met more than a handful of guys who have been sparring lightly with beginners only for the beginner to spaz out and try slap on heelhooks because "I thought that's the way it's done".

    While correct application and control can be taught, it will take a while for any person to actually develop it for themselves which is generally why I think a lot of instructors don't emphasise leglocks to begin with. They'd rather their students have strong fundamentals in place before teaching them leglock submissions. Also most people get put off of coming back to class if they get their leg destroyed after only few sessions, so it's practical from a business stand point too.
     
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    I think it can be a good thing to teach leg locks from day one, but then you need to devote very much time for it in order to learn how to do them correctly from the start, which is OK in a SAMBO or shoot club, where they have more of an emphasis on leg locks than in BJJ, but in BJJ, where the emphasis is on upper body submissions, I think it's a good idea to learn them first after you've had some experience.
     
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    I think the different teaching methods also may have something to do with. Most top sambo guys have some sort of military background or more than likely one of their instructors will so things are taught in a more stringent and regimental fashion compared to the average bjj class where the technique will be demonstrated 3-5 times and then students are then left to practice the technique in pairs while the instructor wanders around correcting mistakes.
     
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    the key to leglocks, like any submission, is CONTROL. moreso for leglocks however, since the ligaments in your legs and knees can be damaged so quickly and easily.
     
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    i agree, the leglocks are very sensitive...i wouldnt want a beginner cranking a kneebar....plus i think its more important to teach beginners about positioning, because ultimately thats what it comes down to.....once you get the position the submission is easier to do......
     
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    Of course I have seen this. I have seen it with all types of submissions over the years. This is why I feel it comes down to how the instruction is managed and supervised. Not the technique. Of course position, movement, fundementals must come first. In fact we always say if you can move well the submission seems to just appear - you don't need to look for it. But, when it comes time to start teach submission specifics, we work all submissions. Obviously, being sambo folks we work legs.

    It is true that my experience in sambo has been very regimantal as noted above - surely based in my coach's military background. I also teach that way.
     

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