Where do the "duck" arguments come from?

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  1. El Panteron Purple Belt

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    Read about it A LOT on Sherdog, how can someone in their right mind argue fighters would avoid do their fucking job out of... fear? Of fighting? Never really understood if this is trolling or just a Sherdog trope or whatever.

    Has there ever been a proof of this? Like someone admitting it later or something.
     
  2. Fossor Brown Belt

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    Tito Ortiz ducked Dana White.
     
  3. Lukn4trbl Brown Belt

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    A fighter ducks another when that fighter is your favourite and the other fighter sucks balls, so you make that argument to bust balls of the nut hugger fans of the fighter that you hate.

    /Run on sentence
     
  4. BRASIL WAND ▓▓▓AMERICAN TOP TEAM▓▓▓

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    Are you implying there ISN’T any ducking in the UFC???


    Don’t be that guy. Yair and Hooker are clear examples of ducks.

    Yair opted to get cut rather than fight Zabit. Held out for a more favorable fight.

    Hooker coming off a beheading by Barboza fought a higher ranked Iaquinta then used the excuse of rankings to blatantly duck Makhachev. Also held out for an easier fight against Felder.



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  6. El Panteron Purple Belt

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    Proof?
     
  7. youllneverwalkalone Purple Belt

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    I think you are misunderstanding what ducking means, maybe because of language issues. There are no mandated opponents in MMA, therefore all fighters and their managers try to get favorable matchups and sometimes refuse certain fight offers if they are not to their liking.
     
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    It's when a fighter refuses to fight someone similar in the ranks bc they are a bad matchup and either want a more favorable one or a higher ranked opponent. GDR literally forfeited the title instead of fighting cyborg. She claimed she did t earn a shot at the title. That's a clear duck.
     
  9. Doctor Lenovo Banned Banned

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    Many athletes in full contact sports make "business decisions" i.e. they take the path of least resistance. We all "duck." The more important question is why?

    It is better to take the Conor McGregor's path and face a bunch of 3-and-something in the UFC fighters and short notice opponents, than to be the unpopular fighter (Leon Edwards) who has to clear division before he is even a champion.

    In combat sports, the path to glory is not the same for all fighters. So, combat athletes have to be very strategic about who they fight and when they fight them, and where they fight them.

    Very few combat athletes can fight "anybody, anytime and anywhere" and keep the losses to a minimum. All it takes is one well placed strike, to end everything they fight so hard to achieve.

    For example, Conor McGregor ended Jose Aldo's claim to GOAT status in 13 seconds. This is why all combat athletes must "duck" the right fighter at the right time. Until the context is in their favor.
     
  10. Typrune Goatley Red Belt

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    From people who have never fought or even trained before
     
  11. BRASIL WAND ▓▓▓AMERICAN TOP TEAM▓▓▓

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    Do some research goof, we can’t help that you’re new to the sport.

    Choosing to be blissfully ignorant on a subject isn’t an excuse for your lack of knowledge.


    l@nd0
     
  12. El Panteron Purple Belt

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    Dude I know what ducking means.

    And if you read the forums you'll see people arguing fighters are scared of this or that other fighter all the time. I simply think this is a bullshit argument. I'm very open to be proven wrong though, I'm a casual and a recent fan and I'm sure you know much more than I do (no sarcasm).

    Certainly people will negotiate for favourable matchups. But favourable ranking and money wise more than everything.
     
  13. El Panteron Purple Belt

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    How is opening a thread requesting info choosing to be blissfully ignorant?
     
  14. SuperNerd Off Season Mode.

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    Styles make fights.

    A fighter's career is, partially, in the hands of the bookers. ...In a sport where your health and quality of life is at risk.

    But fighters should be shamed when approaching the negotiation table with anything besides "Yes, sure, thank you please".

    And they deserve to be paid more.
     
  15. BRASIL WAND ▓▓▓AMERICAN TOP TEAM▓▓▓

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    I GAVE you two textbook examples. Do you not have the capability of doing a simple Google search?

    You’re being disingenuous by acting like you’re being objective on the topic yet calling anyone who states a fighter ducked a “troll”.

    Sounds like you don’t want an answer to your question but rather just to validate your point.


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  16. kungfu_taichi Orange Belt

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    Are you Makhachev's manager or something?
    1) Who has Makhachev beaten that anyone would be afraid of him,
    2) Why should Hooker fight somebody barely in the top fifteen when he can fight somebody in the top ten?
    3) Paul Felder is an EASIER fight!?!? Easier than Khabib maybe. Fact is, any of the top eight UFC lightweights would wreck Makhachev, except maybe Cowboy. Makhachev is just gonna have to earn his way up, one fight at a time like everybody else.
     
  17. ShackleMeNot Brown Belt

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    Forrest openly ducked jon jones. I remember hearing him in an interview saying he didn't want anything to do with that after what anderson did to him
     
  18. dipstickjimmy Red Belt

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    How would training make you more or less able to understand when a fighter "Ducks" another fighter.
     
  19. Ackmed Black Belt

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    Duckman Dan's reasons for not fighting Makhachev made no sense and contradicted each other.
     
  20. Ackmed Black Belt

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    Islam Makhachev - Most Ducked Fighter in History;
    6 Fight Win Streak;
    International Sambo Master;
    Future Lightweight Champion;
    Movie Star Good Looks;
    Mensa IQ;
    Best Nutritionist in the Game
     

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