Where are Rumble and Gustafsson in all-time great list?

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  1. spacetime Banned Banned

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    Cormiers best wins at LHW (I don't count an old Anderson on a few days notice). What place in an all-time great list would have these two gentlemen? Gus lost all big fights of his career. Major choker. Rumble a little bit better. Fight IQ of a rock.

    Are they better than Ken Shamrock if you take opposition into account?
     
  2. tonil Red Card

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    I would say they are not on that list
     
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    Why not? You don't think Rumble would do well in early eras?
     
  5. loisestrad Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    So you're trying to put down Cormier, and at the same time discredit Gus and Rumble?
     
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    Rumble would have been on the list if he dethroned Cormier, just like Gus, who nearly won Jones the first time.
     
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    Let's see,

    Top 10 in LHW only

    JBJ
    DC
    Chuck
    Shogun
    Page
    Lyoto
    Hendo
    Randy
    Tito
    Wandy


    Nope, not even on the list at 205.
    pound 4 pound ?
    Forget it.
     
  8. Clear Winner Big Poppa Pars

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    All-time LHWS, I'd say:

    1. Jones and by some margin
    2. Tito
    3. DC
    4. Shogun
    5. Frank, Chuck or Wand

    Rumble and Gus are further down the list, but if they were around in a non-Jones era, could have at least been champs at some point.
     
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    Truthfully, nowhere

    They are the equivalent of Jon Fitch
     
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    At 205? Years ago I've made detailed top 30 list but lost it somewhere on my hdd. I think I had them between top 10-15.

    Rumble is/was insanely durable and skilled for his size (defensively sound counterpuncher), he'd easily be top 5 in head-to-heads.
     
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    Far below Tim Sylvia
     
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    Didn't Hendo go something like 7-8 at LHW, bro. Not sure if that's top 10 material.
     
  13. spacetime Banned Banned

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    No. I think Rumble could very well have put Royce Gracie to sleep.
     
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    Simultaneously shitty on dc, gus and rumble

    Impressive
     
  15. Choco I can quit any day..

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    1-Neither Rumble nor Jones would be the least interested in the sport back in the day. No big money, no big camps where they are take care of, no ducking/stalling allowed, no guarantees commisions etc, few and changing rules...
    2-Back then, people their size would be "encouraged" to fight as heavyweights (Most of what can be called "early eras" was fought as openweight anyway.

    Sooo, who knows what would have happen (If anything at all)?

    Uchronias are fun, anyways.
     
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    You start to go down a huge rabbit hole in theoretical time traveling scenarios where a fighter goes back in time. It's the same thing when debating all time great lists in other sports. Really you need to mostly look at what they are doing in their own era.
     
  17. spacetime Banned Banned

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    UFC 1 had no weight categories. I believe Rumble would have won due to superior athlete syndrome
     
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    I know that but even so, the early competition was very weak even for it's time
     
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    Obviously but since you can't time travel you can't give Rumble credit for winning UFC 1.
     
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