When you think robbery you think…

[doozer]

For the fun of it I’m going to post a few of the suggested decisions. I’ll post more later. I understand some people are just thinking of their go to robberies, but how do they stack up for greatest?

Pearson Sanchez I already covered.

GSP vs Hendricks I scored for Hendricks in a close but in my eyes clear decision. The media all agree. The fans do not. Barely half the people felt Hendricks won, but Canada added heavily to that. Without Canada though still 1/3 felt GSP won. I’m not too concerned though when Hendricks accused GSP of drugs and GSP challenged him to do a higher level and he would pay. GSP did it and Hendricks refused basically outing himself as a user and GSP proved at least that fight he wasn’t, so the win is in my eyes fair.

Elenburger vs Moontasri I admit I don’t know. I don’t know Moontasri and likely only know Joe by his brother. The few fan votes reflect this. Media are against Joe, fans are too but only 2/3. But it’s a small pool.

Barber Maverick. Also don’t remember the fight but media and fans pretty heavily favour robbery 92%

And Ank vs Jan. I thought Ank won fairly clearly. The media agree. Fans however don’t think a draw is too much of a stretch, though the majority are with Ank.

 

[KO Shotz]

Rampage vs Machida

 

[loisestrad]

Which of Round 1 & 2 did you think was close? Both seemed like pretty clear cut rounds for Hammil to me at the time and watching it back. Round 3 is close but inconsequential to the outcome

Round 1 was Hamill, round two was close, could have gone to Bisping.

I'm not saying Bisping definitely won the fight - could easily have gone to Hamill, as round 2 and 3 were close.

But the reason why the fight is perceived as a robbery is Hamill winning the only clear round.

If you don't think round 2 was close, well, that's on you.

 

[doozer]

Next 5 people suggested.

Sanchez vs Kampman. Not sure if I remember this one though I feel like I do with Diego getting thoroughly messed up. I don’t know if I scored it or if it was before I scored fights. Only a smallish pool of fan responses but they generally think Kampman should have won.

Machida vs Rua. This was along my first ufc fights ever. I remember my friend calling it a robbery, I personally just figured the judges got it right. I never rewatched it, I never really do. Media and fans generally agree it was a robbery, though only 2/3. Not really the biggest, though like the GSP /Hendricks fight you could say it being a title fight makes it a bigger (more significant) robbery.

Bisping vs …

Hamill. The small group of fan voters generally agree it was a robbery 80%. This fight was before my time.

Silva. Definitely not widely considered a robbery, most people and media think Bisping deserved the nod. As a viewer I scored it for Bisping and found it easy to score.

Henderson. Another one most fans and media didn’t think was a robbery, it’s a little closer with half thinking Bisping 1/6 draw and only 1/3 Henderson. I don’t remember clearly how I scored but I think I remember thinking Bisping won.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Round 1 was Hamill, round two was close, could have gone to Bisping.

I'm not saying Bisping definitely won the fight - could easily have gone to Hamill, as round 2 and 3 were close.

But the reason why the fight is perceived as a robbery is Hamill winning the only clear round.

If you don't think round 2 was close, well, that's on you.

Is a 65/35 round "close" ?

It wasn't a dominant round but it was pretty clear Hammill won it. Both guys were landing jabs but Hammill lands takedowns and is moving forward the entire time landing the bigger punches.

 

[oldschoolmmafan]

Rizzo vs Couture.

 

[dipstickjimmy]

Which of Round 1 & 2 did you think was close? Both seemed like pretty clear cut rounds for Hammil to me at the time and watching it back. Round 3 is close but inconsequential to the outcome

Without rewatching it round 2? By the stats Bisping landed 17 significant strikes vs 13 for Hammil. Hammil outlanded 23 - 17 in total strikes. The one UK judge gave it to Hammill so the "Home Cooking" lines people throw out are a bit silly. Can't find a break down of the actual scorecards to see what rounds the two judges that scored it for Bisping gave him but if we assume it was the 2nd and 3rd you might disagree but there is a basis for it. Giving a disagreeable 10-9 that statistically is a coing flip isn't a Robbery.

 

[BigOlJeet]

Jones vs Reyes

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Without rewatching it round 2? By the stats Bisping landed 17 significant strikes vs 13 for Hammil. Hammil outlanded 23 - 17 in total strikes. The one UK judge gave it to Hammill so the "Home Cooking" lines people throw out are a bit silly. Can't find a break down of the actual scorecards to see what rounds the two judges that scored it for Bisping gave him but if we assume it was the 2nd and 3rd you might disagree but there is a basis for it. Giving a disagreeable 10-9 that statistically is a coing flip isn't a Robbery.

Look 2 posts up. I rewatched the fight upon this threads arrival and round 2 is easily for Hamill. If you trust the horrific UFC statisticians judgment of a "significant strike" idk what to tell you other than, don't. Trust yourself lol

 

[Mind Mine]

Conor vs Cerrone robbed me of an actual fight and gave me kayfabe

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Is a 65/35 round "close" ?

It wasn't a dominant round but it was pretty clear Hammill won it. Both guys were landing jabs but Hammill lands takedowns and is moving forward the entire time landing the bigger punches.

Unfortunately, after a lot of time on MMAdecisions, I'd say anything below 70 is close enough to go either way with some amount of reason. Around 75 is that realm of "I thought the winner was clear, but could see a bad argument or bad judge go the other way." I wouldn't say anything is purely a "no way around it, this is how it should have been scored, period" until like 85+

 

[Mask Of Winters]

Shogun/Machida 1

Sanchez-Pearson is still the gold standard for me but yeah, this one was responsible for mandatory immediate rematches after every title change now.

 

[Mask Of Winters]

Lost a parlay because of that BS back in the day.

I would say Frankie vs Benson 2 is a big one for me. Scrolling down his record and seeing that as a loss for Frankie genuinely feels like I just spotted a typo because that fight felt so decisive. I remember not even paying attention to the score cards when they announced it because the outcome seemed so obvious. Benson had extremely controversial decisions over Thompson and Melendez as well to the point it felt like:

I had forgotten about him before this thread but now I remember how much I hated that dude! From always being on the right side of robberies to suddenly insisting on being called Benson after years of being just Ben to the arrogance and the ridiculous mid-fight hair-flipping

 

[doozer]

Unfortunately, after a lot of time on MMAdecisions, I'd say anything below 70 is close enough to go either way with some amount of reason. Around 75 is that realm of "I thought the winner was clear, but could see a bad argument or bad judge go the other way." I wouldn't say anything is purely a "no way around it, this is how it should have been scored, period" until like 85+

85+. The line has been drawn. Now I know when I’m putting these robberies to the test!

 

[doozer]

I had forgotten about him before this thread but now I remember how much I hated that dude! From always being on the right side of robberies to suddenly insisting on being called Benson after years of being just Ben to the arrogance and the ridiculous mid-fight hair-flipping

Darn him for having robberies scored for him!

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

85+. The line has been drawn. Now I know when I’m putting these robberies to the test!

Oh, to be specific, I mean round by round, not the total fight score.

 

[wolffanghameha]

Yan vs O'Malley
Then after a while I remembered Paddy vs Jared Gordon. It was the same night as Yan vs O'Malley I think?

Unfortunately it's hard fo remember most robberies. Which is why it sucks.

 

[doozer]

Oh, to be specific, I mean round by round, not the total fight score.

An important clarification. As it is from the first 10 mma decisions I posted 2 that the majority of rounds are “indisputable” Sanchez vs Pearson all 3 and Barber vs Maverick 2 rounds. No more of them meet the 75% bad call mark but 2 meet the 70% clear winner mark Hamill vs Bisping and Silva vs Bisping, but actually affirming Bispings win over Silva. Kampman vs Sanchez was basically 70% (69.8).
Interestingly enough on second look it turns out that although the majority of people score Ank vs Jan for Ank actually 3 rounds are more in favour of Jan, people just disagree on which rounds to give him letting Ank get the overall vote.

 

[Elvis.]

Sanchez vs Pearson
Outside mma it’s the 118-110 Canelo over GGG scorecard
People should have been killed for that , or at least thrown in jail

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

O’Malley vs Yan