1. The official Sherdog Store is back! Check it out! » Discuss it here! »

When will people learn that a step down in weight is not a step down in competition

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by SideKickPro24, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. SideKickPro24 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    May 28, 2011
    Messages:
    649
    Likes Received:
    26
    Whenever somebody drops down a weight class, everyone expects them to be better. This couldn't be further from the truth, because ultimately you have to fight the other champion/highly ranked fighter at THEIR WEIGHT.

    I'm sure DC might have had more success wrestling jones if he got to come in with his HW body, and all the strength that comes with it, but he didn't. He had to cut, and in the fight Jon and Him were the same size, if anything jones was bigger than DC. Nobody DC fought could have prepared him for jones' skill level, especially no one at HW.

    It happened with edgar to. Because he did so well against bendo people thought he'd be able to take aldo down at will. Um no... A fight with Aldo at his weight is harder than a fight against benson, because aldo is a more skilled fighter.

    The only reason it's been working in the opposite way for guys like bisping, machida, and vitor is because MW is a less skilled division than LHW is.
     
  2. DoUEvenLiftBro Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2013
    Messages:
    3,154
    Likes Received:
    0
    Weight does matter, but the skill of the top guys can overcome that. Cormier clearly has easier fights for him at LHW overall, but he also wasn't automatically going to beat Jones because of that(Similar to Frankie-Aldo)
     
  3. 7437 Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    25,430
    Likes Received:
    150
    MOst guys move down when they are losing a lot, and it often helps to be fighting in a lower weight class. Look at lombard, or even your example of edgar. Edgar commonly won by narrow margins at LW, but is crushing guys at FW. It just so happens that Aldo is good enough that it doesnt matter.

    The champion is not the only fighter in lower weightclasses.
     
  4. MaDFroG Green Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2009
    Messages:
    1,096
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Bucharest
    DC could be top 3 with ease at HW and I see him a solid number 2 at LHW.The guy is very good p4p , he might win the belt if he can make a MW :))
     
  5. GingaNinja White Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2014
    Messages:
    113
    Likes Received:
    0
    They expect them to be better because they are heavier. They have weight classes for a reason, to protect lighter fighters.
     
  6. benitoelsalsa White Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2013
    Messages:
    98
    Likes Received:
    0
    Bones is a different animal to anyone at LHW.

    He has a base in wrestling but hes like Liam Neeson in Taken, he has a specific set of

    skills and body specifically perfect to rule the LHW division.

    Those spinning elbows are probably the deadliest attack in MMA.

    Besides a flash KO which anyone can get on the day he is unbeatable at LWH. In

    saying unbeatable I mean definitively flogged not just a touch and go decision aka

    Gus.

    The problem for any challenger is he is accustomed to a 5 round fight and everyone

    he has faced has wilted in the 4th or 5th round.

    He is amazingly coached and in saying that I hate his personality but as a fighter he is

    amazing.
     
  7. Haliacmon WRECKING EVERYTHING

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    6,415
    Likes Received:
    289
    Location:
    "El Alamo"
    your last paragraph isnt true

    "The only reason it's been working in the opposite way for guys like bisping, machida, and vitor is because MW is a less skilled division than LHW is."

    you base on what to claim that?
     
  8. gujukal Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2013
    Messages:
    386
    Likes Received:
    2
    He was more succesful at HW because fighters in HW have such sloppy striking usually with a few exceptions. DC will have a lot of trouble in the future with guys like Gus and maybe even Anthony because of their superior striking, speed and excellent takedown def.
     
  9. johnyboy Silver Belt

    Joined:
    May 30, 2007
    Messages:
    14,876
    Likes Received:
    42
    Location:
    Edmonton
    Well if you are fighting guys heavier then you and doing well it makes sense you would do better fighting guys smaller then you.
     
  10. gujukal Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2013
    Messages:
    386
    Likes Received:
    2
    Sidekickpro24: You seriously believe that MW is a less skilled division than LHW? Both Machida, Anderson Silva are far more skilled than Jones but they happen to be smaller and less physical which is a huge factor in MMA. Machida could be a WW and Jones a HW, of course that played a huge factor in their bout. Jones is good, but he's not nearly as skilled as Machida or Silva in the striking department.
     
  11. MMun Black Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2011
    Messages:
    6,783
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Copenhagen, Denmark
    I agree with the general idea of your post, but MW is a shark tank. It might have been weak a few years ago, it certainly isn't now.
     
  12. Takamine86 Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2012
    Messages:
    6,811
    Likes Received:
    680
    Depends on the who the champion is when you step down and the competition. For Example, Robbie Lawler stepped down and took the WW belt. But he couldn't find much success at MW.
     
  13. donfryeismyhero Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2010
    Messages:
    3,335
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    pdx
    Im pretty sure though that DC's motivivating factor for dropping to lhw from hw had to do with Cain his friend/training partner being champ, not because of a belief the comp was easier @ 205.
     
  14. NILLI Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2004
    Messages:
    3,615
    Likes Received:
    344
    I Concur. Usually the smaller the division the harder it gets. HW is weak and always has been.
     
  15. BrokenCage Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Messages:
    491
    Likes Received:
    0
    I never thought it was about taking a step down in competition. I thought DC did it because he wanted a title, and his buddy Cain was the HW champion. Also, a lot of guys do it because of things like height and reach. If you're 5'10 at HW and fighting a guy who is 6'7 like Browne, why not move down and fight guys with similar height and reach?
     
  16. GoshiShun17 Red Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2011
    Messages:
    9,003
    Likes Received:
    4,106
    Edgar was crushing guys at lightweight also. Only his title fights were closely contested. He's just small.
     
  17. yetanother Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2014
    Messages:
    5,676
    Likes Received:
    239
    It's like cutting your arm of to fight in a one armed contest.
     
  18. 7437 Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    25,430
    Likes Received:
    150
    Watch his fights against Sherk and Swanson. There is an obvious difference in how much his strikes hurt his opponents.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.