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Jesus. Sometimes it just. fucking. hurts. I'm doing sprints, pushups, plyos (especially plyos) and I hit the wall. I know I defeat myself but it's because I'm worried I'll injure myself. To me the fear of hurting myself conditioning and then needing to take time off training is worse than the fear of performing less than 120%. Shouldn't this be the other way around?

At what point do you say "well, *this* is the most my body can stand". or do you just say "I'm invincible" when conditioning? Is it possible to overwork yourself conditioning? Is this an "if he can do it, I can do it" type of mentality I should take? I'm looking to take my cardio to the next level, but now I just need to get over this fear of fucking my body up.

Anybody have similar experiences where they limit themselves? My first experience was in Basic Training for the Army when they told us not to stop running. Well, as much as I wanted to stop, I didn't. I ended up with a NASTY pain in my leg, but I found that I *could* keep going, despite what I thought. I don't want to fuck up my body in conditioning and then fight fucked up. That's retarded.
 
I guess you need to determine the old "good pain vs. bad pain" threshold. If you totally gas yourself and bonk, its not really a bad thing, you're teaching your body to deal with the extreme exhaustion. If the pain is the sign of a possible strain or pull, thats obviously bad, especially if you have an upcoming fight. You should always taper down starting a couple weeks before a big event. Taper to the extent of maintaining your fitnesss and technique, but allowing your body to return to its full strenth and heal all those nagging little injuries.
 
The mind quits long before the body does...

Try to push yourself the next time you workout and find out for yourself what you can really do, I dont think anybody on the internet can help you with that ! !
 
When I hit the wall, I always make myself go a little further than my body wants.

I have found that makes me always push myself past my current limits without causing any permanent injury to myself.
 
You ever notice when you give yourself a set number or time to follow your body always feels gassed when it gets close to the finish?
 
zfolwick said:
Jesus. Sometimes it just. fucking. hurts. I'm doing sprints, pushups, plyos (especially plyos) and I hit the wall. I know I defeat myself but it's because I'm worried I'll injure myself. To me the fear of hurting myself conditioning and then needing to take time off training is worse than the fear of performing less than 120%. Shouldn't this be the other way around?

At what point do you say "well, *this* is the most my body can stand". or do you just say "I'm invincible" when conditioning? Is it possible to overwork yourself conditioning? Is this an "if he can do it, I can do it" type of mentality I should take? I'm looking to take my cardio to the next level, but now I just need to get over this fear of fucking my body up.

Anybody have similar experiences where they limit themselves? My first experience was in Basic Training for the Army when they told us not to stop running. Well, as much as I wanted to stop, I didn't. I ended up with a NASTY pain in my leg, but I found that I *could* keep going, despite what I thought. I don't want to fuck up my body in conditioning and then fight fucked up. That's retarded.
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This is some interesting shit. I was kind of thinking about this last Thursday during some training with a buddy of mine. Lately I've been experimenting with pushing through fatigue, and I've been constantly reminding myself when I get tired that "it's only fatigue", "I'm only tired". I find that doing this is good because I'm aware of the fatigue but I'm not giving it more attention that it deserves. It's hard to describe: I give it respect but I'm not scared of it...anyways, I do this with the assumption that I'll just *know* when I need to take a break.

So yeah, it's really tough to know to what extent pain, fatigue, etc are "real" and how much of them come from our mind or our reactions to them. It's possible to ignorantly ignore real signs of danger to your body with the whole mind-over-matter thing and it's also possible for our minds to trick us into quitting before we really "need to".

It sounds like you've had some unique, strong experience dealing with this stuff from army training, so it's tough to imagine what kind of shit you're pushing through, what kind of level your cardio is at and where you want to take it.

Anyways, I think it's a good thing that you're aware of it and are interested in understanding it. I think realizing and respecting the power of the mind in sports, life, etc. can lead to all sorts of possibilities.

Also, since you're quite concerned about injury, I hope you're taking the time to stretch, eat well and get good rest. Good luck.
 
The army pushed me way to far a couple of times, or so I thought. I always seemed to recover and go again, its that team environment that can really motivate you. I don't think I got a big injury there at all.

I have broken myself a couple of time while going at a much lower intensity level though. Sometimes its just luck.

If you really want to push yourself, get someone stronger, faster, better then you and train with them. The competition will motivate you and they can help keep an eye on how you are doing.
 
You want to push yourself but you don't have to go balls out every time. I like to leave training feeling like I could've done more, it prevents burnout and keeps me motivated to keep going back. Every so often I will go all out to test myself, kind of like going for a big PR.

I remember running at the track last summer and sort of plateauing on my times. Then one day their were a few more people jogging on the track at the same time as me, so whenever I got close to one of these people I would subconsciously speed up to pass them, I ended up setting a PR.
 
Sonny said:
You want to push yourself but you don't have to go balls out every time. I like to leave training feeling like I could've done more, it prevents burnout and keeps me motivated to keep going back. Every so often I will go all out to test myself, kind of like going for a big PR.

I remember running at the track last summer and sort of plateauing on my times. Then one day their were a few more people jogging on the track at the same time as me, so whenever I got close to one of these people I would subconsciously speed up to pass them, I ended up setting a PR.
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I have a similar philosophy. One thing I have noticed from myself and others on this board: it seems to be in male genetics to speed up/push harder when others (especially hot girls) are around
 
Bamaispriceless said:
I have a similar philosophy. One thing I have noticed from myself and others on this board: it seems to be in male genetics to speed up/push harder when others (especially hot girls) are around
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I remember setting a 2.4 km pr at the track during a girls soccer practice. It was no coincidence.
 
when feeling pain from cardio and running...its mostly mental and you can always push yourself further. when dealing with heaver excersises like lifting when something hurts its a good call to stop whatever your doing. Pushing yourself in conditioning is what its all about. Learn a little somethin about yourself when you kill yourself. Keep running until your veins pump battery acid and you cant hear anything but you pulse. keep feeling the pain brotha
 
not so much king56, you can push yourself in cardio to the point where your body shuts down, and then you'll start getting sick. The body can only take so much.

~Foz
 
I'm of the mentality that I want to make my body stronger. . . If I injure it, I can't train anymore. Same with sparring partners. I'm just having trouble knowing when to quit being too soon, or too late.
 
(There is a quote I like from these forums and I think this came from Revok)

"Smaller amounts of exercise equals more sustained effort. One of the most vital adages for anyone who exercises has to be: "Do as much as you can while staying as fresh as you can". You don't always have to destroy yourself to make satisfactory progress - ask yourself is it better to progress in halting, pain-filled bursts, or at a steady, enjoyable pace which can be sustained without having to conjure up massively-demanding and potentially counterproductive effort?"
 
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