When talking about GOAT KO power, why isn't this monster mentioned?

[Elysianwing]

I know there were/are, but pointing at some of the most wellrounded HWs in MMA history isn't really answering my question about more wellrounded HWs in today's UFC

Semmy was pretty damn wellrounded. The best on the feet and far from helpless on his back. His TDD was good, but not great of course.

I answered your question about more well-rounded HW's today, and not surprisingly several of them are the same guys that were more well-rounded in Semmy's time.

The problem the HW division has always had, is a lack of depth so far as talent and athleticism are concerned. Semmy was well-rounded enough to be a quality HW simply by being an amazing striker with serviceable skills from his back.

 

[Cptn1NSAN0]

Every HW thread I make is thinly veiled Fedor thread for you people. Yeah. Every HW comes to Fedor somehow.

I didn't mention Fedor here. I'm talking about Semmy.

You are very insecure.

You people?

I love Fedor, don't get me wrong. But if I made a thread talking about how underrated Mike Easton or Hugo Viana is, people would see an agenda.

You sound like you're used to this kind of comment anyways.

OT: Semmy probably deserves more mentions, yes. A true physical specimen with tools to boot.

 

[cade187]

Have you seen his fights when he was in his prime?

He was harder to gnp than Minotauro BTW.

He lost to elite fighters, but he wasn't run over by any means.

You're fixation with this idea that he was well rounded is ruining your thread.

 

[kikikhan]

I answered your question about more well-rounded HW's today, and not surprisingly several of them are the same guys that were more well-rounded in Semmy's time.

The problem the HW division has always had, is a lack of depth so far as talent and athleticism are concerned. Semmy was well-rounded enough to be a quality HW simply by being an amazing striker with serviceable skills from his back.

I really can't stand this talk about the HW division...

Weight cutters run from HWs, what are those divisions, if HW is supposedly weak?

Come on.

 

[Elysianwing]

I really can't stand this talk about the HW division...

Weight cutters run from HWs, what are those divisions, if HW is supposedly weak?

Come on.

I don't even know what you are trying to say with this?


I didn't say HW was weak, I said it was shallow. I.E Not talent/athlete rich.

Size still matters, and there are plenty of LHWs that would get obliterated by HW's because of that...that doesn't mean the HWs are more technically skilled however.

 

[Source]

Mezger beat him ffs. What did Guy weigh for that fight?

 

[kikikhan]

You people?

I love Fedor, don't get me wrong. But if I made a thread talking about how underrated Mike Easton or Hugo Viana is, people would see an agenda.

You sound like you're used to this kind of comment anyways.

OT: Semmy probably deserves more mentions, yes. A true physical specimen with tools to boot.

I don't know these 2 guys.

And Semmy deserves credit.

Yeah I'm used to these comments because I make threads about HWs and at HW everything is Fedor related. He connects everybody. I can't mention great HWs without someone thinking that I'm talking about Fedor.

I'm talking about Semmy f*cking Schilt here.

When I talk about Fedor I talk about Fedor. I don't hide it. I don't care about haters enough to hide my agenda.

So when I write something serious, I mean exactly that and there is no need to try and play a psychologist.

I was going to make a thread about Nastula too, but now I won't because Fedor didn't fight him and nobody is going to have anything to b*tch about.

 

[kikikhan]

You're fixation with this idea that he was well rounded is ruining your thread.

Why. Tell me. Why wsn't he wellrounded?

Did I say he was the most wellrounded? Umm, NO.

But he was wellrounded.

 

[kikikhan]

I don't even know what you are trying to say with this?


I didn't say HW was weak, I said it was shallow. I.E Not talent/athlete rich.

Size still matters, and there are plenty of LHWs that would get obliterated by HW's because of that...that doesn't mean the HWs are more technically skilled however.

Shallow?

Today the UFC HW division is dying, but in 2000-2010, the HW division was deep.

And stop talking about athletes that do other sports. Those are just pointless assumptions that insult actual fighters.

Lace 'em up or STFU, I say. To athletes that is.

Skill is relative and affected by gravity. A LOT.

 

[kikikhan]

Mezger beat him ffs. What did Guy weigh for that fight?

But Semmy beat him and others when he improved his overall MMA skills.

 

[CutStryker]

Schilt was a big motha, long legs, long arms, big man.

I remember fighting the top elite guys and losing but to some lesser fighters he's beat. Still loads of talent

 

[tenniswhiz]

For discussions in this forum, we exclude freaks who can't lose enough weight to step on the scale and see 265.
Semmy could not make 265 when he was fighting at his best.

 

[kikikhan]

For discussions in this forum, we exclude freaks who can't lose enough weight to step on the scale and see 265.
Semmy could not make 265 when he was fighting at his best.

The 265 weight limit is an embarrassement.

I'm furious when someone like you breaches my dam, which keeps my anger about the issue in check, by mentioning the subject

 

[moreorless87]

But Semmy beat him and others when he improved his overall MMA skills.

Pretty much, Semmy was pretty clueless when it came to grappling early on in pancrase plus of course he was fighting in an org that didn't allow closed fist punches.

His takedown defence was never that great(although it did improve) but he did become a pretty good submission grappler, look at his armbar win over Gan Mcgee for example, that's very slick grappling.

He did IMHO get pretty tough style matchups in his prime MMA run as well, Fedor, Nog, Barnett and Sergei were all well rounded and excellent grapplers. I think he could have beaten many more specialised strikers standing and potentially outworked/subbed some wrestlers.

 

[kikikhan]

Pretty much, Semmy was pretty clueless when it came to grappling early on in pancrase plus of course he was fighting in an org that didn't allow closed fist punches.

His takedown defence was never that great(although it did improve) but he did become a pretty good submission grappler, look at his armbar win over Gan Mcgee for example, that's very slick grappling.

He did IMHO get pretty tough style matchups in his prime MMA run as well, Fedor, Nog, Barnett and Sergei were all well rounded and excellent grapplers. I think he could have beaten many more specialised strikers standing and potentially outworked/subbed some wrestlers.

Agreed

 

[ShX]

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Prime Semmy was a monster.

His standup was monstrous, his TDD wasn't bad either. His ground game was very underrated too.

I think that he was very wellrounded. Skillwise.

If we are talking about MMA, this guy was just a oversized can crusher. He lost to Gilbert Yvel ffs. Good knees, but far from well rounded.

 

[Benji Snap]

When Schilt fought MMA it was early in his career when he was very light and lanky.

At his K-1 prime when he weighed around 300lb he would have been close to unstoppable in MMA if the HW division was open weight.

 

[kikikhan]

If we are talking about MMA, this guy was just a oversized can crusher. He lost to Gilbert Yvel ffs. Good knees, but far from well rounded.

Losing to Yvel on the feet is FFS worthy?

Prime Yvel was a monster on the feet and Semmy improved since that fight in all areas.

Man, people like me piss me off.

Using some loss to discredit a fighter.

 

[Fatal Catro]

Many people who currently follow Mma do not know him.
I believe that is the answer .

 

[kikikhan]

Many people who currently follow Mma do not know him.
I believe that is the answer .

Then they shouldn't contribute in threads about GOATs.