When should kids be introduced to submissions?

[mikenugs]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to get your input on when you think kids who train should be introduced to submissions. In particular I am talking about performing submissions during sparring.

 

[TheSubmissionCh]

Day zero. - E

 

[Higher Learning]

personally, i feel no subs until 12 or 13

 

[Title Fight Productions]

personally, i feel no subs until 12 or 13

Did you eat your brain for breakfast?. I would say slowly around 6yrs old.

 

[claytongray]

As soon as they understand how to tap and how to apply locks in an easy manner.

 

[shunyata]

13.

Judoka here.

 

[Deleted member 363827]

Kids in my gym started at like 9 years old. They will be fine, these kids have less
ego issues about tapping than many adult new comers.

I say 7 years old is good enough, they are not some egoistic adults who will
try to kill each other, they will let go, and tell their friends how to get out of submissions.
(real life experience)

 

[Gawd]

When they have siblings...

 

[The Static]

When you know the kid is not going to go on the playground and armbar the first kid he/she see.

So pretty much if you doing not need a babysitter. I say you can learn subs.

 

[Jonas g33k]

When should kids be introduced to submissions?

 

[Lou Reed]

Yeah, I don't think it's about the age, I think it's more about when it's the right time for your kid to be able to learn how to RNC without running out and doing it indescriminately because it's fun and winding up braindamaging some other kid because he's just trying to look cool. If your kid can legitimately understand that he should never be using these techniques outside of sparring, then that's the right time regardless of age. I would test the waters as early as possible with joint locks but hold off on chokes until I could tell the kid was mature enough not to go around murdering his mates to get dem deets from dose 10 yo huneez.

 

[carolinasmbCR]

Lol...

 

[carolinasmbCR]

Yeah, I don't think it's about the age, I think it's more about when it's the right time for your kid to be able to learn how to RNC without running out and doing it indescriminately because it's fun and winding up braindamaging some other kid because he's just trying to look cool. If your kid can legitimately understand that he should never be using these techniques outside of sparring, then that's the right time regardless of age. I would test the waters as early as possible with joint locks but hold off on chokes until I could tell the kid was mature enough not to go around murdering his mates to get dem deets from dose 10 yo huneez.

Agreed!!

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[MrMastema]

Introduce them to a RNC everytime they are naughty

 

[ocarey2]

In judo they don't learn them until very late. Judo is a little different because you could easily have a match without subs allowed but its a bit silly having a bjj match without subs.

I think as soon as you can see that they have learned how to treat your partner while training then there is no reason why you can't introduce a few chokes. Got to be more careful with locks because in a full class its unlikely someone is going to get seriously hurt with a choke but someone could get hurt with a lock.

I think having an arbitrary age when you learn submissions is silly since every kid is different

 

[kintana]

I dont know I guess it mind depend on the kids. I know my instructor is teaching kids from 10 years old submissions. They dont see to be doing anything wrong or trying to break a kids arm in sparring.

He has taught so far; americana from mount, armbar from mount, mata leon from a seated position and one lapel choke from guard.

Though he did spend about 1 week per submission and position making sure they had lots of practice before sparring.

We dont have anyone younger then 10 years old in our gym. So i cant say if he would start teaching them earlier submissions.

 

[claytongray]

My gym starts kids at age six usually (five if they are able to focus). Once a kid understands positions and is able to roll with control and without spazzing, they are taught submissions.

 

[Saenchai]

I think from a young age such as 7, its better to teach them how to sweep and pass and get positons. Make a game out of it, a tourny or what not. With that solid base, sweep game and positon, adding subs later on is no problem.

 

[jasond]

I've been running our kids and teens programs for 5 years and what I've found to work over that time is that it's better to go by experience more than age with the younger ones.

For the younger kids (below the age of 7) , around the time they earn their 2nd stripe on their white belt, I introduce a few basic "safer" submissions. I don't teach any bent arm locks like kimuras or americanas until they're at least 9. The same thing goes for guillotines, as a bad guillotine is a good neck crank.

For our teens, I'll teach them submissions from day one. Bear in mind, that for the first few weeks (maybe even a month depending on the kid), the teens are not allowed to use submissions when rolling. Usually, I'll pair them up with one of our more advanced students and have them work out of bad positions or try to maintain good ones.

For all of our students, the concentration early on is on defending and escaping from bad positions, submissions, and strikes early on; mainly stuff they're likely to encounter on school yards, etc.

 

[Uchi Mata]

Chokes? Anytime. Armlocks, I'd probably wait a little longer. But I wouldn't emphasize it, postions, sweeps, and guard passing are more than enough to keep kids busy for years.