Media When Jones finally retires will people treat him like Fedor and only focus on his early career?

[Ibm]

He lost to Matt Hammill, Fedor did not.

HAHAHA. And in a dominating fashion too Jones lost to him. I forgot, what a historic beatdown.

 

[jsbx45]

No. 'Cuz humility from Fedor.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

 

[sickness666]

HAHAHA. And in a dominating fashion too Jones lost to him. I forgot, what a historic beatdown.

Jones beat himself in that fight.
He could have easily won this match; Hamill was never on his level, except from a wrestling perspective. But he had to make a stupid illegal move, and only he knows why.
My assumption is that he felt compelled to do it because of Hamill's better wrestling credentials.
But that's just my assumption.

 

[fzoid4454]

The only people spouting complete idiocy are the ones who came up with 'pulsing': Jon, Dana, Novitzky, and USADA who went along with it. If a drugs in your system then a drugs in your system period. It doesn't matter and shouldn't matter if you've been busted for the same thing before. That's just a license to dope, which is what they gave Jones.

So, sure, you know, medical science is spouting the idiocy, and Sherdoggers have the molecular biology part right.

LOL

 

[Captain Herb]

So, sure, you know, medical science is spouting the idiocy, and Sherdoggers have the molecular biology part right.

LOL

That's the whole point, it wasn't science.

 

[Xanzito]

If he had just retired right after he beat old man Stipe, maybe. But dragging this Tom thing out for the better part of two years is absolutely the worst way he could have ended his career, short of another pregnant hit and run.

I'd say you got it pretty close.

 

[nonoob]

That's the whole point, it wasn't science.​

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Next possibility for Jones...

 

[Captain Herb]

Maestro request approved.




Next possibility for Jones...

Bon Scott was true genius and Jon is too in some ways. I hope they don't end up the same

 

[fzoid4454]

That's the whole point, it wasn't science.

Except, you know, it actually was.

If you're confused about that, read the journal papers, listen to what the SCIENTISTS are saying in the field, and don't rely on Joe Rogan's interpretations of anything that requires more than a room temperature IQ to understand.

 

[Prazeres]

Fedor wasn't really relevent to the MMA landscape after strikeforce so people don't talk about what came after, even if he kept fighting for 10 years afterward.
Jon's was at the forefront of the MMA newscycle until his retirement, so his whole carreer will still be discussed for years to come.

 

[markg171]

With Jones, it’s not the PEDs themselves, it’s that Jones has never competed under the same conditions as his opponents

Vitor failed his drug test for their fight so this isn’t even correct.

Notwithstanding the other fighters Jon fought who have also failed.

 

[Prazeres]

For all the people talking about Fedor never ducking anybody by going to Strikeforce, there are good reasons to believe he might have avoided Overeem when he got there.
Sure it's a he said she said situation, but making Alistair defend his Strikeforce championship against Rogers who had just lost to Fedor is strange matchmaking to say the least, when the Fedor fight was right there, pointing toward possible issues making the fight.

 

[Captain Herb]

Except, you know, it actually was.

If you're confused about that, read the journal papers, listen to what the SCIENTISTS are saying in the field, and don't rely on Joe Rogan's interpretations of anything that requires more than a room temperature IQ to understand.

Yeah, there was no science behind the idea of pulsing Turinabol. It was completely made up for Jon Jones and for 'evidence' it pointed to vague research on a completely different compound. There were absolutely no studies on pulsing and Turinabol much less repeatable and verifiable science

 

[BowserJr]

Jones had a GOAT level 2, maybe 3 years. Everything else is far below GOAT level... without even counting pissing hot

 

[BowserJr]

For all the people talking about Fedor never ducking anybody by going to Strikeforce, there are good reasons to believe he might have avoided Overeem when he got there.
Sure it's a he said she said situation, but making Alistair defend his Strikeforce championship against Rogers who had just lost to Fedor is strange matchmaking to say the least, when the Fedor fight was right there, pointing toward possible issues making the fight.

There is more to it than that but I agree. He should've fought Reem

 

[BFoe]

For all the people talking about Fedor never ducking anybody by going to Strikeforce, there are good reasons to believe he might have avoided Overeem when he got there.
Sure it's a he said she said situation, but making Alistair defend his Strikeforce championship against Rogers who had just lost to Fedor is strange matchmaking to say the least, when the Fedor fight was right there, pointing toward possible issues making the fight.

That was Coker’s doing. He had this grand idea to have them each fight other people first to build up the fight more.

“[Fedor] and Alistair Overeem should be an amazing fight, and people that haven’t seen Alistair, you know, he’s an amazing fighter. I think we should do a couple of fights and build that one up, and then let their champion fight our champion, and let’s see what happens.
We’re hoping that Alistair will be ready to fight in the Fall, and we can put him on one of the cards with Fedor, and not fight against each other but fight against someone else, and let’s build that fight up.”

That obviously didn’t work out, and then Coker botched that shit again when booked the Strikeforce HWGP hoping that the fight would happen in the second round. I think Coker learned his lesson though, and in Bellator when he did their HWGP and had just signed Frank Mir, he booked Fedor vs Mir straight away.

 

[fzoid4454]

Yeah, there was no science behind the idea of pulsing Turinabol. It was completely made up for Jon Jones and for 'evidence' it pointed to vague research on a completely different compound. There were absolutely no studies on pulsing and Turinabol much less repeatable and verifiable science

This was covered way, way back when it happened. It wasn't made up, he wasn't the first, there was ample evidence to show that this happened, and the main reason for it suddenly popping up was the much more precise testing that detected levels way, way below what was previously considered a "positive" threshold.

The "pulsing" that happens right around a weight cut is easily explainable because it's measured by concentration of the substance in the urine, and someone severely dehydrated won't have those concentrations diluted.

 

[fzoid4454]

For all the people talking about Fedor never ducking anybody by going to Strikeforce, there are good reasons to believe he might have avoided Overeem when he got there.
Sure it's a he said she said situation, but making Alistair defend his Strikeforce championship against Rogers who had just lost to Fedor is strange matchmaking to say the least, when the Fedor fight was right there, pointing toward possible issues making the fight.

Overeem ducking defending his title, at all, for 2 1/2 years before finally defending against Rogers, and then pulling out of the Grand Prix while claiming injuries (during the 2.5 years of not defending), and then competing in kickboxing and in other MMA promotions while he was supposedly on the shelf, would indicate there are good reasons to believe that it was Overeem who was doing the ducking.

Love how you point the finger at Fedor based on nothing, while ignoring 'Reem's track record.

This all coincided with his insane increase in mass on his "horse meat" diet while competing in all those competitions with little to no random PED testing protocols.

 

[Captain Herb]

This was covered way, way back when it happened. It wasn't made up, he wasn't the first, there was ample evidence to show that this happened, and the main reason for it suddenly popping up was the much more precise testing that detected levels way, way below what was previously considered a "positive" threshold.

The "pulsing" that happens right around a weight cut is easily explainable because it's measured by concentration of the substance in the urine, and someone severely dehydrated won't have those concentrations diluted.

In science that's called a hypothesis. Now go do all the experiments that will support your hypothesis, organize your data and publish your results. When it's been repeated, verified and peer reviewed, then we can start referring to your idea as science. Maybe someday it will develop into an actual theory!