Media When Jones finally retires will people treat him like Fedor and only focus on his early career?

[Eater of Souls]

Stopped reading here. You're either a troll or don't actually know what you're talking about. Both the Pride and Strikeforce HW divisions were better than the UFC's, so I'll just see myself out of this nonsensical thread.

Yeah. Always the historical revisionism bullshit from shills. Sure, eventually the UFC had a better HW division, but only because they annexed Pride and Strikeforce. When Pride was going strong that is where the consensus top HWs fought.

 

[broc5k]

People often view Fedor with rose colored glasses and focus on his earlier career in pride rather than his subsequent decline and dodging top level competition in mma by not going to UFC.

He is hailed as a great for his early career domination and not his late career fall into obscurity.

Jones has been on a similar trend, a dominant early and mid career and a late career of few fights and allegations of dodging the best ( like Fedor did by not coming to UFC ).

Once Jones finally retires will he be hailed as a great or will people be biased and only focus on his late career decline?

Even the bait on Sherdog sucks in 2025.

Although seeing people ass-hurt almost 20 years later that Fedor never kissed the ring makes it slightly less fucking moronic.

 

[Poirierfan]

I'm curious to see how long the obsessed haters cry about Jon after he retires. If they collectively shut up and move on, there go half of my posts in the future!

Don't fret, I'll keep some of your post count up for ya.

 

[orca]

nobody gives a fck if you hate him or not
fedors resume look garbage if you compare it to jones

people lie

numbers dont lie

 

[KO Shotz]

Bruh, first of all Fedor fought the baddest of the bad in PRIDE while being undersized & not only was successful but finished some bad dudes. & all that matters is when looking at someone's prime. Of course, it's not fair to hold fighters at fault when it comes to father time or mileage on their body. As far as him ducking the UFC that is debatable, because Fedor's management & Dana not getting along is the real reason why Fedor never came to the UFC.

Anyways, when looking back on Jon Jones career he'll always be talked about as the greatest of all time in most conversations no matter what. I mean the dude came onto the scene & just ran thru everyone & not only beat up legends & pioneers, but made it look easy against the new breed as well. He's one of the most well-rounded fighters of all time (alongside Fedor), & at the end of the day ppl can try & nitpick thru the careers of both guys but when the dusts settles, they both are looked at as one of the best to ever do it.

 

[WOLVERINEKILLS]

People often view Fedor with rose colored glasses and focus on his earlier career in pride rather than his subsequent decline and dodging top level competition in mma by not going to UFC.

He is hailed as a great for his early career domination and not his late career fall into obscurity.

Jones has been on a similar trend, a dominant early and mid career and a late career of few fights and allegations of dodging the best ( like Fedor did by not coming to UFC ).

Once Jones finally retires will he be hailed as a great or will people be biased and only focus on his late career decline?

Show us on the doll where the numerous Fedor fans ran a train on you. Go ahead and show us, we won’t tell anyone… your secret is safe with us

 

[sickness666]

No. Not in my book.

 

[muaythaibeast]

You do know Cain Velasquez only had one fight in Strikeforce…..right? His first pro bout dating back to 06. Cain Velasquez is a UFC fighter, he was not in Strikeforce when Fedor went there and he didn’t come over because of the buyout, he was in already in the UFC. Mir, Gonzaga, JDS, Couture, Lesnar, Noguiera, Cro Cop, Carwin, Hunt. Compared to Overeem, Werdum, Barnett, Cormier, Kharitonov, Big Foot, Arlovski. It’s a bit of a myth that Strikeforce had the better HW’s at the time, essentially they all became competitive with each other when they did fight all fight.

Fedor signed with the UFC in August 2009, at which point Cain had just beat Kongo and JDS had just beat Struve. They were comparable with a guy like Tallison Texeira today at that stage.

 

[KillerIsBack V2]

People often view Fedor with rose colored glasses and focus on his earlier career in pride rather than his subsequent decline and dodging top level competition in mma by not going to UFC.

He is hailed as a great for his early career domination and not his late career fall into obscurity.

Jones has been on a similar trend, a dominant early and mid career and a late career of few fights and allegations of dodging the best ( like Fedor did by not coming to UFC ).

Once Jones finally retires will he be hailed as a great or will people be biased and only focus on his late career decline?

Fedor dodged UFC contracts, not the UFC’s top competition. He beat multiple UFC champions and multiple UFC title contenders.

Either way, people did and still shit on any GOAT candidate.
Lets take GSP for example, nicest guy ever, and almost perfect fighter:-
- tapped to strikes by a midget… no heart
- was finished twice in the first round! Weak
- robbed Johnny and retired before USADA took over. Dodged both the new generation and the strict PED tests.
- Only came back to challenge a higher division against an old blind man. Proved he ducked all 3 previous UFC MW champions. Completely erased his already low quality legacy.

I can keep going on and on but you get the jest. MMA fandom has non-existent standards blinded by fanboyism, nostalgia goggles, recency bias, and plain ignorance.

 

[Poirierfan]

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[Poirierfan]

In terms of fighting accomplishments and dominance? He will be treated as a legend. The goat without a doubt. If he fights (which he will ) Aspinall and wins, he hasn't just fine through 3 generations, he'd be breaking through the 4th fighters generation. Undefeated in a fight except for a DQ loss... Record defense of title belts. 17 world championships wins. Double champion, and, I'd he beats Tom, he'd be defeating top 3 HWs right now — Gane , Stipe and Tom ... Tom is likely better than Ngannou, so if JJ beats him, there's no debate (which shouldn't there be anyways ), and while there shouldn't be much debatable, beating Tom cements him as the GOAT and there won't be even a debate about it...

31 - 0 (17 world championships wins, across two divisions and through 4 different eras). That's what Khabib's father said, that echoes as true as it could be — "JJ's talent was given by God. Not by Greg Jackson. When it comes to fighting, we know Jon Jones is #1... Out of all fighters" ... Khabib also put him #1 after he beat Gane ... Beating Stipe and possibly Tom ? Yeah, as far as MMA goes, he is the past, present and future and can't be matched by any fighter. At least not until a long time.

Jon wouldn't beat Tom, hence why he's ducking Tom.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

Thats exactly how I'll view Jones lol. His last 5-6 years, basically everything post DC head kick, ranges from mediocre to shit. But thats ok he's still on my short list for GOAT

 

[Joshua8531]

Probably not, for 2 reasons in my opinion


1) PEDs. Some people believe this taints and puts his whole career in question. Some believe everyone is on something and its an even playing field. Its a big asterisk and gives a lot of "what ifs

2). People dislike him for his antics and personality. Fans are humans, and some people will always have a negative bias if they dislike someone. I admit I do it sometimes with fighters like Conor

Well your a goofball if you have a child anywhere near you and would want that child to grow up and be a man like JJ. Sry mate or miss you have issues.

 

[Mike]

This cap again. So early career now is nearly ten years and over thirty fights? That's dumb.

And then of course he "declined early" which means he declined on his mid thirties, the same time pretty much everyone starts declining. Guys like Cain and jds didn't even get ten years at the top.

 

[Aluminati]

And? Jones passed that test like 95% of the time, weird how he only failed a few.

If you exclude the entire year of failed tests for picograms, maybe you get 90% if you are being generous.

 

[Aluminati]

Jones won all his fights, Fedor did not.

He lost to Matt Hammill, Fedor did not.

 

[volcom5]

Fedor signed with the UFC in August 2009, at which point Cain had just beat Kongo and JDS had just beat Struve. They were comparable with a guy like Tallison Texeira today at that stage.

Sure, JDS sent Werdum packing, beat Struve and Cro Cop before Fedor even had his first bout in Strikeforce. Same with Velasquez who was on coming off a win over Rothwell which accumulated to a 5fight streak with 4 finishes during the same time Fedor was fighting Rogers who coming off quick knockout of Arlovski which in hindsight arguably a early stoppage s lucky shot. Point is, Strikeforce and the UFC at the time HW’s were fairly even in talent. You could essentially put Cormier and Antonio Silva in the same category as Tallison Texeira also prior to Fedor signing with Strikeforce.

 

[bjjwar]

At this point Jones could beat Francis, Aspinall, Pereira, Blaydes and Volkov at the sale time and it wouldnt matter. His career is forever tainted…

 

[Vehap1]

Steroids and beat up old midgets

Extremely overrated like Rousey and GSP

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

His legacy will never be like Fedor. Fedor is pure class. Jon not so much.