Media When Jones finally retires will people treat him like Fedor and only focus on his early career?

If your list includes PED users than you can very easily make a case he’s the best fighter ever. Lifetime drug free status it’s GSP, Fedor.
 
Eventually yes, but it will take a long time for ppl to forget he ran from interviews at the mere mention of tom's name.

It's honestly astonishing at this point if he does plan to keep fighting.
But yes over time he will be recognised for his early career greatness.
But there's also the spectre of the failed drug tests to consider as well.

I think his career will definitely be the most polarising when it comes to what he achieved versus his preferential treatment by the ufc.
 
Until the later part of Fedor's career he was fighting in the division with the best fighters. Strikeforce had a more proven Heavyweight division that the UFC did at the time, Cain, and DC both came over and became champs there. What was the alternative? Shane Carwin and Brock?
 
Yeah, MMA fans are fuckin idiots and crybabies.
When all is said and done, If Jon Jones doesn’t lose in the octagon he will still be regarded as a GOAT of the sport.

No one gives a fuck what he does with his time outside the cage. The only thing that will shine is his legacy in the cage in a highlight video that someone is watching on whatever iteration of YouTube we have 10 years from now.

And again the only people who fuckin care are us fight nerds on a forum. Stop wasting your energy on this Sherfam.
 
Finally someone else gets it! The "pulsing" didn't count as failed tests.
Dude, he took so much Turinabol that it was still in his system YEARS LATER according to him and Dana. Maybe he shouldn't have done that, maybe he kept microdosing it but there it is, so yeah it's a failed test, why wouldn't it be unless you make up some crazy unproven science to excuse it
 
People often view Fedor with rose colored glasses and focus on his earlier career in pride rather than his subsequent decline and dodging top level competition in mma by not going to UFC.

He is hailed as a great for his early career domination and not his late career fall into obscurity.

Jones has been on a similar trend, a dominant early and mid career and a late career of few fights and allegations of dodging the best ( like Fedor did by not coming to UFC ).

Once Jones finally retires will he be hailed as a great or will people be biased and only focus on his late career decline?
(A) Fedor didn't "dodge" by not going to the UFC. During Pride, Affliction and Strikeforce years, the UFC HW division was not the best out there. He was THE GOAT and the main draw in MMA. Dana was unwilling to make him an offer commensurate with his status and earning power. There was absolutely no reason for Fedor to bend over for Dana, just because Dana ran the UFC.

(B) Whenever Jones has been accused of "dodging", like after the first Gus fight, he's always been even more dominant in rematches and subsequent fights. Up until Aspinall the claims have always been about guys he already beat.

There's no comparison, really, because when Fedor eventually faded, he took some losses and kept competing when it was obvious he was a fraction of the fighter he was. Jones is still winning, and has still sought and conquered subsequent challenges, like moving up to HW and being dominant in all of his fights there.
 
Dude, he took so much Turinabol that it was still in his system YEARS LATER according to him and Dana. Maybe he shouldn't have done that, maybe he kept microdosing it but there it is, so yeah it's a failed test, why wouldn't it be unless you make up some crazy unproven science to excuse it
No, that's not what Dana said, that's not what Jones said, it's not what USADA and the medical science folks said, either.

It's not a failed test when there's no evidence of subsequent use since already being sanctioned for having it in his system. Which is why he wasn't sanctioned for failing the subsequent tests.

Fuck, 10000 threads about this, and people are still spouting complete idiocy about what happened.
 
No, that's not what Dana said, that's not what Jones said, it's not what USADA and the medical science folks said, either.

It's not a failed test when there's no evidence of subsequent use since already being sanctioned for having it in his system. Which is why he wasn't sanctioned for failing the subsequent tests.

Fuck, 10000 threads about this, and people are still spouting complete idiocy about what happened.
The only people spouting complete idiocy are the ones who came up with 'pulsing': Jon, Dana, Novitzky, and USADA who went along with it. If a drugs in your system then a drugs in your system period. It doesn't matter and shouldn't matter if you've been busted for the same thing before. That's just a license to dope, which is what they gave Jones.
 
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Until the later part of Fedor's career he was fighting in the division with the best fighters. Strikeforce had a more proven Heavyweight division that the UFC did at the time, Cain, and DC both came over and became champs there. What was the alternative? Shane Carwin and Brock?
You do know Cain Velasquez only had one fight in Strikeforce…..right? His first pro bout dating back to 06. Cain Velasquez is a UFC fighter, he was not in Strikeforce when Fedor went there and he didn’t come over because of the buyout, he was in already in the UFC. Mir, Gonzaga, JDS, Couture, Lesnar, Noguiera, Cro Cop, Carwin, Hunt. Compared to Overeem, Werdum, Barnett, Cormier, Kharitonov, Big Foot, Arlovski. It’s a bit of a myth that Strikeforce had the better HW’s at the time, essentially they all became competitive with each other when they did fight all fight.
 
I don't think so. Fedor at least went out swinging, he just got old and the sport passed him by. Meanwhile, Jon Jones is a chicken/duck, no matter what he accomplished earlier that is what I will remember him for.
 
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Fedor went 9-3 AFTER retiring and being a shell of himself, earned and fought for a world title shot in his final fight. Fedor was already the greatest HW of all time prior to that run and even though it had some bad moments, that's still an excellent record for someone that wasn't in their prime.

For as good as Jones' run was, he'll be known for a legendary LHW run and then cherry picking HW fights and ultimately ducking. He really should have just retired after the Stipe fight and relinquished the belt. He could still come back and fight but holding up the belt and his blatant ducking has tarnished his legacy.
 
Jones career is over buddy. He has no interest in fighting and even if he does he wants out. Fedor I have actually never seen a fight that he looked like he could be champ in the UFC at any point. My first Fedor fight I saw was Strikeforce and he never looked elite. Basically it’s not the same situation. One man wants out but the company desperately wants him to stay. One man stayed 10 years too long
 
Your entire premise is flawed. Nobody sees Fedor through rose-colored glasses.

The fact is he was undefeated for a decade in the best MMA org in the world at the time and the closest he ever came to cheating was instinctively grabbing a rope to prevent a takedown.

He also never ducked anyone.

Contrast that with Jones who is also undefeated, yet has cheated in most of his fights. And ducked several times.
 
fedor seems like a nice fella who keeps his nose clean and doesn't do hit n runs n stuff. Jones seems like a bad person. That's all i really care about as far as who i respect. I don't really care how good someone was or is if they're a scummy person. That's my take, i can't speak for others.
I dont care hes a bad person, im not looking for a role model lol. What i hate about jon is he tries so hard to to make it seem like hes a good person... Just own up to the fact your a scumbag. Doing coke during the week and still beat mfers up in the ring, thats some badass stuff. Thats like putting yourself in quite the disadvantage..
 
In terms of fighting accomplishments and dominance? He will be treated as a legend. The goat without a doubt. If he fights (which he will ) Aspinall and wins, he hasn't just fine through 3 generations, he'd be breaking through the 4th fighters generation. Undefeated in a fight except for a DQ loss... Record defense of title belts. 17 world championships wins. Double champion, and, I'd he beats Tom, he'd be defeating top 3 HWs right now — Gane , Stipe and Tom ... Tom is likely better than Ngannou, so if JJ beats him, there's no debate (which shouldn't there be anyways ), and while there shouldn't be much debatable, beating Tom cements him as the GOAT and there won't be even a debate about it...

31 - 0 (17 world championships wins, across two divisions and through 4 different eras). That's what Khabib's father said, that echoes as true as it could be — "JJ's talent was given by God. Not by Greg Jackson. When it comes to fighting, we know Jon Jones is #1... Out of all fighters" ... Khabib also put him #1 after he beat Gane ... Beating Stipe and possibly Tom ? Yeah, as far as MMA goes, he is the past, present and future and can't be matched by any fighter. At least not until a long time.
 
Do you even doubt for a second Fedor used PED in pride?
Everyone was using in PRIDE, it was allowed.
The argument is Fedor turned up to the tour de France with a bike, where everyone else was in a bike, so a guy using a bike in a foot race (UFC) is perfectly acceptable.
 
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