When it comes to Volkan, do we know of fighters from his background who have had major success?

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That is, in either pro MMA or pro boxing, when it comes to fighters from countries/regions such as Turkey, Iran, Bosnia, Chechnya/Dagestan, Lebanon, Egypt or any country on the Arabian Penninsula, or who have family heritages from this region such as Volkan, do we know of any who have not become washouts? From Iran there is Mousassi of course, but he is Armenian and trains with elite level Armenian and European fighters who were readily able to get him ready for UFC caliber fighters. The closest I can think of is Khabib and he turned out not to have any of the discipline needed to get the job done at this level in terms of staying in fighting condition or even on weight. The rest that I know of have all been washouts in the UFC and even in pro boxing I don't know if there are any that have gotten that far without overly padded, biased records which near invalidate them. It seems the reliance on raw power and aggression they have inevitably does not work very well at the highest levels in MMA or boxing, not counting pro kickboxing since it's a joke sport relative to the other two. Is there a reason to think Volkan will be different?
 
What are you talking about ?
 
You are correct, people from Bosnia, Armenia, Iran and Saudi Arabia are exactly the same physically, mentally, ethnically, religiously and linguistically. We should just call them the "the non-Mexican brown dudes" and laugh at their UFC records.
 
What's the connection we're supposed to be looking at?

They're all Muslim?

You could've included latifi

He's of Albanian background

There's also mirsad bektic (Bosnian) he's was undefeated till recently
 
grimballer said:
What's the connection we're supposed to be looking at?

They're all Muslim?

You could've included latifi

He's of Albanian background

There's also mirsad bektic (Bosnian) he's was undefeated till recently
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Well there's that and the fact that Chechnya/Dagestan, Bosnia and Turkey have cultural identities closely related to each other in terms of religion and other facets. Albanians should also be included, true. Of course, that gives us Latifi, whose gonna soon be another washout. And same for Bektic, he got wrecked the first time he faced a semi decent fighter and is not really gonna get good enough to go anywhere. Iran also has a sort of cultural solidarity with these nations/states and sans Moussasi, Iranian fighters in the UFC, Shalorous, Madadi and so on have also been busts as well.
 
emax said:
Well there's that and the fact that Chechnya/Dagestan, Bosnia and Turkey have cultural identities closely related to each other in terms of religion and other facets. Albanians should also be included, true. Of course, that gives us Latifi, whose gonna soon be another washout. And same for Bektic, he got wrecked the first time he faced a semi decent fighter and is not really gonna get good enough to go anywhere. Iran also has a sort of cultural solidarity with these nations/states and sans Moussasi, Iranian fighters in the UFC, Shalorous, Madadi and so on have also been busts as well.
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Someone from Bosnia would be more related to guys like stipe n crocop than Chechens/Turks or Iranians
 
emax said:
Well there's that and the fact that Chechnya/Dagestan, Bosnia and Turkey have cultural identities closely related to each other in terms of religion and other facets. Albanians should also be included, true. Of course, that gives us Latifi, whose gonna soon be another washout. And same for Bektic, he got wrecked the first time he faced a semi decent fighter and is not really gonna get good enough to go anywhere. Iran also has a sort of cultural solidarity with these nations/states and sans Moussasi, Iranian fighters in the UFC, Shalorous, Madadi and so on have also been busts as well.
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you are incorrect, dagestan has a very distinctive culture from turkey for example.
all they share is broadly the same religion. it's like saying an italian and a russian have close cultural identies, hey they 're all christians ain't them ?
 
grimballer said:
Someone from Bosnia would be more related to guys like stipe n crocop than Chechens/Turks or Iranians
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Ethnically, yes but not culturally. From what I understand, at least, on a cultural level many of them identify more closely with Chechens, Iranians, Turks and even Arabs than with anyone from what was called Yugoslavia. And that cultural identification may make a fundamental difference in how they function.
 
Some white skinned Turks consider themselves something greatly distinct from arabs, Kurds and Europeans.

They have a name for it like Phoenician. But it's some sort of word like that.
 
aichokyu said:
you are incorrect, dagestan has a very distinctive culture from turkey for example.
all they share is broadly the same religion. it's like saying an italian and a russian have close cultural identies, hey they 're all christians ain't them ?
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Well to be sure, when you are talking religious Turks and religious people from Chechnya and Dagestan, it makes the cultural link much stronger than between two European nationalities, more so when they are the same sect of Islam [the example you cited was Catholic vs Orthodox].
 
emax said:
That is, in either pro MMA or pro boxing, when it comes to fighters from countries/regions such as Turkey, Iran, Bosnia, Chechnya/Dagestan, Lebanon, Egypt or any country on the Arabian Penninsula, or who have family heritages from this region such as Volkan, do we know of any who have not become washouts? From Iran there is Mousassi of course, but he is Armenian and trains with elite level Armenian and European fighters who were readily able to get him ready for UFC caliber fighters. The closest I can think of is Khabib and he turned out not to have any of the discipline needed to get the job done at this level in terms of staying in fighting condition or even on weight. The rest that I know of have all been washouts in the UFC and even in pro boxing I don't know if there are any that have gotten that far without overly padded, biased records which near invalidate them. It seems the reliance on raw power and aggression they have inevitably does not work very well at the highest levels in MMA or boxing, not counting pro kickboxing since it's a joke sport relative to the other two. Is there a reason to think Volkan will be different?
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emax said:
Well there's that and the fact that Chechnya/Dagestan, Bosnia and Turkey have cultural identities closely related to each other in terms of religion and other facets. Albanians should also be included, true. Of course, that gives us Latifi, whose gonna soon be another washout. And same for Bektic, he got wrecked the first time he faced a semi decent fighter and is not really gonna get good enough to go anywhere. Iran also has a sort of cultural solidarity with these nations/states and sans Moussasi, Iranian fighters in the UFC, Shalorous, Madadi and so on have also been busts as well.
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Have you ever seen Bektic fights?
He will be top 10 without a doubt
 
There's only one way to go after being named Volkan...and that's up.
 
Don't over think it it op. He's a strong and quick like any other LHW. He's probably a few fights away from being wrestle humped and derailed like every other fighter.

Look at Jimi. The guy was on a pretty good streak then, BANG. on his back. Same thing will likely happen to Volkan.

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emax said:
Ethnically, yes but not culturally. From what I understand, at least, on a cultural level many of them identify more closely with Chechens, Iranians, Turks and even Arabs than with anyone from what was called Yugoslavia. And that cultural identification may make a fundamental difference in how they function.
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Those would be hardcore Muslims n they are small minority in Bosnia.

Majority of Bosnian Muslims are pretty secular n they see themselves like other south Slavs
 
Big point that seems to be getting missed here is that Volkan is not from Turkey, Armenia, Russia etc etc. He was born and raised in Switzerland, he's a Swiss.

His parents are from Turkey, though I have no clue what bearing that would have on him as an MMA fighter. You'd be better off looking at other fighters from Western Europe because that is where he is from.
 
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