when you start from your guard, grab a sleeve and collar grip, and your feet are positioned either a) both on the other guys knees/quads, or one on the knee (same side as sleeve grip) and the other foot acting as a hook on or between the legs. i almost want to classify this as a sort of spider guard but i don't think that's completely accurate, as the foot positions aren't on my bicep and/or hip. perhaps i should know this but i've only got 7mos of training in. last night i dropped in for a class at ocean beach barra brothers in SF. i'm used to being pretty competitive with other white belts, giving blues a hard time and occasionally subbing a blue (but mostly surviving and defending well). and this is both in my school and at other schools i've visited. but last night i got completely wrecked by every white belt i rolled with. i'm not sure what their experience level or time in training was, but that's beside the point. i think a smaller part of it was that i'm completely unfamiliar in dealing with the kind of guard they were all playing (described above). i've seen guys at my school use it (usually higher blues and up), but i've been exposed mostly to closed guard games, at least at my level. i couldn't figure out how to control the legs to pass. i have pretty good base, am strong and agile, but damn if these guys weren't tossing me left and right. i was defending the entire time, and i couldn't even get into a groove. it was pretty cool. but now of course i need to start figuring out how to deal with it, other than spending all my time stripping grips. =P i'm hoping for some basic tips or pointers, or at least some appropriate terminology so i can youtube it! many thanks!