whatever happened to muay thai? how come now everyone is "muy" boxing

Might be your post of the year Alan, you've improved tremendously my son. @Homeless Infant can we get this man a medal or ribbon, or an interim title or some shit?
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As a Muay Thai practionner with 6 amateur fights I can say the style of striking does not translate properly to MMA. Our stance is very narrow, often flat footed and we stand tall, resulting in being very open to getting double legged. Our kicks are very powerful, but we extend so much to a point that I wouldn't coach an MMA fighter to kick like a Thai fighter, he would open himself too much to a takedown.
On the other hand, Boxing doesnt use kicks. Their stance is very wide and their base is very low. Taekwondo, even tho 90% of their kicks are shit imo, focuses tremendously on in and out movement, which translates beautifully to MMA. Boxing and Taekwondo/Point Karate footwork translates much better to MMA and this is coming from someone who trains solely in Muay Thai.
 
Boxing is simply the best single striking art for MMA. Fastest way to hurt your opponent, least telegraphed and expends less energy than other strikes. And perhaps most importantly, it has the best footwork which is tied into the rest of your MMA game. The jab is the most important strike in Boxing and it's the same in MMA. In other words Boxing blends in best with any grappling style.
 
God this is why people that don't train shouldn't offer opinions. I've done pure versions of damn near everything, as well as mma, and there ain't such a thing as pure whatever in the cage. No style will make it into the octagon without influence from other styles and general mma training, and that includes MT even though I think it's the best most comprehensive striking art.

Take Ryan Hall, huge bjj guy, but he out there landing headkicks. Any type of fighter, boxer, MT, wrestler, bjj, it doesn't matter, that may be their base but everyone an mma fighter when they get in the cage.
 
LOL one of your boxers just got owned by an underwear model with novice level Muay Thai.
 
It s true there aren t many muay thai specialists around theses days, but we still see low kicks, clinch knees and elbows that are mainly muay thai techniques, so the style or it s influence in mma striking is still here
 
So many shitty posters on this forum these days.

2 dffferent arts. Different strengths and different weaknesses. Also remember Karate's emergence has also been a big part of different fighters arsenal ala Mcgregor, Wonderboy, Machida and others.

Its called Mixed Martial Arts. Anyone who thinks everyone should fight the same is rediculous. Its great seeing there are 3 or 4 different types of strikers these days.

There is one truth to striking though: that there is no substitute on the street or in the cage for having great hands. They are your fastest weapons and are closest to the target. No matter how much you train your legs your arms will always have more potential but everyone is built different. Also, You look at a guy like Mcgregor and his kicks are an important part of his game. He uses them to keep distance and jam his opponents. His front kick is a Karate style kick which I believe is superior to the Teep Kick from MT because its faster and harder to catch and is a penetrating kick vs a pushing kick.

No matter what there will always be a guy who comes along and represents each style well, they all have merits.

Anyone think a real MT power low kick still isnt effective ala Aldo or Barboza? Cerrrone has been on a tear at 170 and his boxing sucks. He is possibly the most successful and purest MT guy in the UFC at the moment.
 
As a Muay Thai practionner with 6 amateur fights I can say the style of striking does not translate properly to MMA. Our stance is very narrow, often flat footed and we stand tall, resulting in being very open to getting double legged.

Are you familiar with Attachai? There are plenty of MT guys who have very good footwork and don't fight upright.

More importantly, a really good Thai boxer can quickly adapt his game to the opponents he is facing. Pure boxers have a lot more to learn to be competitive under rulesets that allow knees, elbows, kicks and clinch fighting, throws. I love boxing but IMO, high level MT is by far the most effective system under MMA rules.

Ironically, Conor's rematch with Diaz actually proves this - he went from throwing 1-2 low kicks max per fight, to 40 low kicks, plus a bunch of knees and standing elbows. And he went from spamming (next to useless) spinning kicks to throwing just one. Without this adjustment, Conor would have lost and his run at LW would be over, no question. Thx MT.
 
Are you familiar with Attachai? There are plenty of MT guys who have very good footwork and don't fight upright.

More importantly, a really good Thai boxer can quickly adapt his game to the opponents he is facing. Pure boxers have a lot more to learn to be competitive under rulesets that allow knees, elbows, kicks and clinch fighting, throws. I love boxing but IMO, high level MT is by far the most effective system under MMA rules.

Ironically, Conor's rematch with Diaz actually proves this - he went from throwing 1-2 low kicks max per fight, to 40 low kicks, plus a bunch of knees and standing elbows. And he went from spamming (next to useless) spinning kicks to throwing just one. Without this adjustment, Conor would have lost and his run at LW would be over, no question. Thx MT.
I will say this Diaz is lucky Mcgregor has chicken legs and cant throw a very hard low kick other wise the fight would have been stopped due to those kicks. But right now there arent a lot of left handed strikers with hard low kicksin the UFC at the moment aside from RDA who punished Nate's legs and dominated him.
 
I will say this Diaz is lucky Mcgregor has chicken legs and cant throw a very hard low kick other wise the fight would have been stopped due to those kicks.

I agree. Conor's lows aren't very hard and he doesn't really know how to set them up.

But really, even an orthodox guy with good kicks would exploit the fuck out of that wide stance/lack of defense. I was watching Jouban tee off on perry last night and once again wondered why hardly anyone in MMA has a decent lead leg kick. It's such a great asset.

Anyway, about the McG/Siaz rematch.. My biggest mistakes in breaking down that fight were:

- Assuming that Conor would not utilize the low kick to the extent that he did.

- Assuming that Nate would check more. He checked nothing in the 1st round vs MJ but actually checked a lot in the second, which caused MJ to give up on the low kick entirely - I thought that he had learned something there. Nope.
 
Yeah but outside of HW lead leg low kicks normally arent fight enders. Jouban is an example of a lefty who has a great lead kick which caused some bruising but Perry wasnt in danger of being stopped from it. It is a great weapon to distract your opponents and set up the liver kick though for left handed fighters and it also can open up someone to your hands.

Part of the Diaz bros success is that they are lefties and get to fight primarily orthodox strikers. If Diaz fought Silva before his leg break I bet Anderson would have throw way more low kicks in that fight. obviously he was still worried about the fact he had just gone through such a gruesome injury and was 40 ys old.
 
LOL AMATEUR boxing?!

payakaroon wasn't anything special, flat out scrub in fact.

bro ain't nobody from Muay Thai making waves by converting to boxing. Boxing is a much tougher sport.
lol. Punching alone is harder than 8 limbs? Fool, give us a break. The pinnacle of Muay Thai> Boxing. But the amateur/entry level of boxing>Muay Thai.
 
lol. Punching alone is harder than 8 limbs? Fool, give us a break. The pinnacle of Muay Thai> Boxing. But the amateur/entry level of boxing>Muay Thai.
there's only so much time in a day, if you train 8 limbs you will never be as good with your hands as someone who simply specializes in boxing.

MT striker with good hands are a rarity
 
As a Muay Thai practionner with 6 amateur fights I can say the style of striking does not translate properly to MMA. Our stance is very narrow, often flat footed and we stand tall, resulting in being very open to getting double legged. Our kicks are very powerful, but we extend so much to a point that I wouldn't coach an MMA fighter to kick like a Thai fighter, he would open himself too much to a takedown.

As CPH noted earlier, there's no one Muay Thai stance. Fighters such as yourself and Superlek Kiatmoo9 use a very narrow upright stance whereas others like Seksan and Sangmanee use a wider lower stance. Also of note is that Superlek tends to not move much and emphasizes blocking and hard counters whereas Seksan and Sangmanee both use a lot more movement in their footwork. Just like in every other combat sport, every fighter will have their own style & stance to go with what they do well and what they like to do.
 
Are you familiar with Attachai? There are plenty of MT guys who have very good footwork and don't fight upright.

More importantly, a really good Thai boxer can quickly adapt his game to the opponents he is facing. Pure boxers have a lot more to learn to be competitive under rulesets that allow knees, elbows, kicks and clinch fighting, throws. I love boxing but IMO, high level MT is by far the most effective system under MMA rules.

Ironically, Conor's rematch with Diaz actually proves this - he went from throwing 1-2 low kicks max per fight, to 40 low kicks, plus a bunch of knees and standing elbows. And he went from spamming (next to useless) spinning kicks to throwing just one. Without this adjustment, Conor would have lost and his run at LW would be over, no question. Thx MT.
Agreed. I'm just dumbing shit down for Sherdog. Yes MT does not have one style, there are many differents ways to approach the game. MT is king outside of MMA.
 
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