whatever happened to muay thai? how come now everyone is "muy" boxing

[Anothermind]

mma is a fallback sport.

hard truths

 

[dontlaugh]

TS thinks Muay Thai and Kickboxing don't also rely heavily on punching. Maybe he thinks Muay Thai is clinch and knees and elbows only. Also pretty sure he's judging MMA as a whole based in the UFC when there's great MT and Kickboxing skills being displayed worldwide.

Imagine if he finds out who Somluck Kamsing is.

Jesus. people try way too hard to bring in a "new era" of striking in MMA but any hope is short lived, you'll never see anybody beating the good ol WrestleBoxer or Muay Thai/BJJ combo for a long time, Wonderboy's and Machida's come and go and they're minority.

 

[shino]

Donald Fuckin Cerrone!

 

[GloryOfIran]

There's holes in Muay Thai as far as boxing technique goes and I think recently mma fighters from a boxing backround have exploited that.

Dillashaw/Barao is a good example, I know Ludwig calls his system 'Bang Muay Thai' but it definitely seems to more influenced by boxing than Muay Thai.

Also, I think for long time boxing has been ignored by most mma fighters, I assume a lot seem to think just because you train muay thai/kickboxing, you don't need to learn how to box, but punching in boxing is obviously way more advanced.

Not sure if you know this, but quite a few muay thais have gone into boxing and won world titles fairly easily. Like in 10 fights when most boxers have 20 warm up fights first.

 

[skullmaskkid]

Not sure if you know this, but quite a few muay thais have gone into boxing and won world titles fairly easily. Like in 10 fights when most boxers have 20 warm up fights first.

care to list some examples? a lot of titles in boxing don't mean shit, I can't think of any noteworthy muay thai striker turned boxer off the top of my head

 

[GloryOfIran]

care to list some examples? a lot of titles in boxing don't mean shit, I can't think of any noteworthy muay thai striker turned boxer off the top of my head

Samart payakaroon, knockout cp freshmart, a khamsing won the Olympic gold medal when Floyd got bronze. Then there are a ton of less Noteworthy ones.

 

[skullmaskkid]

Samart payakaroon, knockout cp freshmart, a khamsing won the Olympic gold medal when Floyd got bronze. Then there are a ton of less Noteworthy ones.

LOL AMATEUR boxing?!

payakaroon wasn't anything special, flat out scrub in fact.

bro ain't nobody from Muay Thai making waves by converting to boxing. Boxing is a much tougher sport.

 

[aerius]

TS thinks Muay Thai and Kickboxing don't also rely heavily on punching. Maybe he thinks Muay Thai is clinch and knees and elbows only. Also pretty sure he's judging MMA as a whole based in the UFC when there's great MT and Kickboxing skills being displayed worldwide.

It's kinda sad, considering that we got to see a Muay Thai champ (Shevchenko) fight a boxing champ (Holm) and punch her in the face all night long on the way to a win.

Imagine if he finds out who Somluck Kamsing is.

Or that Sagat (Petchyindee) is real and not just a character in Street Fighter, and that he's also a boxing champ in addition to his championships in Muay Thai.

 

[GloryOfIran]

LOL AMATEUR boxing?!
So why do so many muay thai become world champion? More than most western nations really. Freshmart is a kid who just walked into boxing and dominated. Boxing is the sport of punching , why is it so surprising when the art of striking produces good punchers? It's like a triathlon guy becoming a runner.
payakaroon wasn't anything special, flat out scrub in fact.

bro ain't nobody from Muay Thai making waves by converting to boxing. Boxing is a much tougher sport.

 

[dontlaugh]

It's kinda sad, considering that we got to see a Muay Thai champ (Shevchenko) fight a boxing champ (Holm) and punch her in the face all night long on the way to a win.



Or that Sagat (Petchyindee) is real and not just a character in Street Fighter, and that he's also a boxing champ in addition to his championships in Muay Thai.

Thai Boxers are underrated as f*ck and most come from Muay Thai training. They think that only Flying Knee KO's and heads being busted open by elbows and stuff like that are proof of MT working.

 

[Thaijitsu612]

LOL AMATEUR boxing?!

payakaroon wasn't anything special, flat out scrub in fact.

bro ain't nobody from Muay Thai making waves by converting to boxing. Boxing is a much tougher sport.

I see you're point but high level amatuer boxers are very skilled. Very few if any current mma striking specialist would have a shot at olympic medal in boxing. Boxing is not a sport where being pro instantly makes you superior to amatuers.Many boxers will turn pro without ever being in sight of any significant amatuer championships

 

[RedVikingHood]

true muay thai is art of 8 weapons..
boxing is easier to pick up, although it is an extremely complex martial art in its own.. I'd assume 80% of fighters still train mt.. and always will.. but few will ever master it in the cage.
the clinch is often attempted still btw. however escapes from the double collar tie are a normal part of defensive striking during training in modern gyms.

Are you a casual fan ts?

Are you always such a dick?

 

[RyanRAW]

It's not just boxing, you have more people using a kickboxing/karate type approach as well than before.

Lot of western style of Muay Thai in MMA is headhunting.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

There's holes in Muay Thai as far as boxing technique goes and I think recently mma fighters from a boxing backround have exploited that.

Dillashaw/Barao is a good example, I know Ludwig calls his system 'Bang Muay Thai' but it definitely seems to more influenced by boxing than Muay Thai.

Also, I think for long time boxing has been ignored by most mma fighters, I assume a lot seem to think just because you train muay thai/kickboxing, you don't need to learn how to box, but punching in boxing is obviously way more advanced.

nah its influenced by dutch kickboxing, which is influenced by kyokushin karate.

 

[Thaijitsu612]

Thai Boxers are underrated as f*ck and most come from Muay Thai training. They think that only Flying Knee KO's and heads being busted open by elbows and stuff like that are proof of MT working.

Yeah the biggest issue seems to be people not knowing what muay thai actually is. There have been quite a few fairly popular fighters touted for their "muay thai" who imo were really more like kickboxers. Barely any top level thai fighters have competed outside of muay thai but there are many bastardized versions especially in the US and Brazil it seems.

Throwing low kicks and knees from the double collar don't make you a thai

 

[Mentallooser]

Nothing really "happened" to it. These guys are getting into MMA and learning the absolute essentials that work for them for each art that they need. Boxing is incredibly important for MMA so a lot of these guys tend to stick closer to a Dutch Kickboxing kind of striking....and even that isn't entirely true. Muay Thai has good straight punches and angles. MMA fighters are getting better and better at that as time goes.

It is difficult to do these things at a world class level. As I said, they tend to work on the techniques that fit into their gameplans. A decade or so ago fighters were still just....fighters. Gameplanning was nominal and they'd work on being the best them possible and go out there. Gameplanning works though so the approach now is different.

I'm doing a terrible job of explaining this, but....they're working the techniques that they can get repetition most efficiently for their entire skillset.

 

[dontlaugh]

Yeah the biggest issue seems to be people not knowing what muay thai actually is. There have been quite a few fairly popular fighters touted for their "muay thai" who imo were really more like kickboxers. Barely any top level thai fighters have competed outside of muay thai but there are many bastardized versions especially in the US and Brazil it seems.

Throwing low kicks and knees from the double collar don't make you a thai

Spot on friend. Any punch KO is "Boxing" for them. As a Brazilian i can tell you, what we have here is a toned down version of Dutch kickboxing. Usually the first thing they teach here is the usual dutch "1-2-leg kick", barely any principle of the raw Muay Thai gets some focus. Basics are overlooked. Is all about dat hard leg kick and that's it.

Is hard to have good MT Kru/Arjans out of Thailand, so they go with the easier route that is watered down Dutch Kickboxing that most camps offer.

It doesn't help that when UFC fans like TS hear Joe Rogan saying "this is some great Muay Thai skills" he most likely thinks it is a right conclusion when Rogan is just hyping a fighter for bullshit reasons, sometimes even bias.

Imo it's a sin to judge how well MT or even Kickboxing does in MMA by juding the UFC fighters only.

 

[aerius]

Yeah the biggest issue seems to be people not knowing what muay thai actually is. There have been quite a few fairly popular fighters touted for their "muay thai" who imo were really more like kickboxers. Barely any top level thai fighters have competed outside of muay thai but there are many bastardized versions especially in the US and Brazil it seems.

Throwing low kicks and knees from the double collar don't make you a thai

The only high level Muay Thai fighters in MMA that I know of are Dejdamrong over in One FC and Valentina Shevchenko in the UFC, the rest are mostly Dutch kickboxing or kickboxing with a few elements of Muay Thai. Even Joanna Jedrzejczyk who always gets called out for her Muay Thai background & world championships is a lot closer to the Dutch style of kickboxing than real Muay Thai.

 

[deweydeucalion]

It's kinda sad, considering that we got to see a Muay Thai champ (Shevchenko) fight a boxing champ (Holm) and punch her in the face all night long on the way to a win.



Or that Sagat (Petchyindee) is real and not just a character in Street Fighter, and that he's also a boxing champ in addition to his championships in Muay Thai.

Can't really say that match up was MT vs boxing when Val has boxing, savate, taekwondo and MT matches.

 

[gohard305]

a muay thai striker with decent hands is a rarity, so which 8 weapons u talking about?

Come to club ko in pembroke pines and I'll show you