What would it take for you to vote for the other party?

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by nostradumbass, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. nostradumbass

    nostradumbass Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2008
    Messages:
    25,885
    Likes Received:
    47,851
    Both sides are just trying to win by default. Media for both sides, which is just Fox news vs everybody else, spends most of its time just bashing the other candidate, rather than giving any positive points of their own candidate. Is there any conceivable way for Fox news to give even neutral coverage of a democratic candidate, or for any of the others to give even neutral coverage of a republican candidate, or is it purely just finding ways to bash the other guy? IMO, this is terrible for the country because no matter who is elected, they've spent so much energy bashing them that the opinions of the viewers carries over past the election and into the presidency and leaves a lot of people angry or ashamed of their president no matter what.
     
  2. Rex Kwon Do

    Rex Kwon Do ál-ḥámdúlílláh

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    14,122
    Likes Received:
    122,721
    Location:
    Tíshník
    If definitive, undeniable proof came out that Trump was accepting money from Putin or his underlings, I would vote against him because to vote for him would be to cuck America at that point.
     
  3. AgedFlatus

    AgedFlatus Banned Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2016
    Messages:
    2,976
    Likes Received:
    4,928
    A blank cheque.
     
  4. bobgeese

    bobgeese Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2012
    Messages:
    19,641
    Likes Received:
    28,172
    Ironically, I'm a life long democrat, who will be voting republican for the foreseeable future. So, what it would take for the left to alienate me, exactly what they have done.
     
  5. JudoThrowFiasco

    JudoThrowFiasco Charming Quark Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2014
    Messages:
    26,994
    Likes Received:
    31,989
    cut income tax for everyone, reduce short term cap gain tax, abolish the death tax, dont give hostile countries money not to develop nuclear armament when there is no way to stop them, do not take in muslim refugees
     
    punky brewster likes this.
  6. panamaican

    panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2009
    Messages:
    37,887
    Likes Received:
    39,991
    A plan that I agree with. It's starting to look like a write-in year.
     
    7437 likes this.
  7. 7437

    7437 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2013
    Messages:
    24,677
    Likes Received:
    22,464
    The conservatives putting up a better candidate than the liberals would do the trick.
     
  8. Was Exiled

    Was Exiled Brown Belt

    Joined:
    May 30, 2014
    Messages:
    3,037
    Likes Received:
    821
    Location:
    Ireland
    Would take a complete 180 of my political philosophy for me not to vote for the Libertarian candidate.
     
  9. punky brewster

    punky brewster Red Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2013
    Messages:
    7,754
    Likes Received:
    13,739
    Huge welfare reform and tort reform. And a huge congressional investigation into the insurance industry.
     
  10. nostradumbass

    nostradumbass Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2008
    Messages:
    25,885
    Likes Received:
    47,851
    To clarify, there is obviously never going to be a candidate with whom you totally agree, but is there anything that could happen that would make a media outlets more of a comparison, or are we doomed to just have each side focus solely on the shortcomings of the other?
     
  11. panamaican

    panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2009
    Messages:
    37,887
    Likes Received:
    39,991
    So long as the parties continue to play up the fringe elements of their base, it's going to become more and more natural to highlight the failings of the other guy vs. your guy.

    I blame gerrymandering. It's created an environment where you don't have to speak to the middle to win your election. Everyone talks about and thinks about the PResidential election but if you spend your early political career primarily in a district that has been carved up to remove any legitimate opposition then you're only going to be challenged by other people in your party. And that means when you're fighting with someone who generally agrees with you on everything, the only real difference is who's closer to the "enemy" and a movement towards the middle is a move towards the opposition.

    So we're breeding a new crop of politicians who've only ever learned to fight for more fringe voters and never really had to fight for middle of the road-ers and independents. So, it's probably going to get worse before it gets better.

    Although Trump seems to be sparking some kind of GOP movement to the left, just to get away from him.
     
  12. VulcanNervPinch

    VulcanNervPinch Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Messages:
    15,115
    Likes Received:
    8,522
    a) If there were a massive political realignment like the one that took place in the 60s over Civil Rights - voting bases, platform, regions all turned upside down.
    b) If the Democrats somehow nominated an ignorant, offensive, pathologically lying, erratic and unreliable, inexperienced buffoon of a candidate - that is to say, a Donald Trump type.

    That's about it
     
    WalkenWouldOwn and Jack V Savage like this.
  13. OverCoronavirus Pressure

    OverCoronavirus Pressure Disinfected and bleached

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2015
    Messages:
    61,193
    Likes Received:
    93,864
    Location:
    At a spring '77 Grateful Dead show
    Sane policy that's elucidated
    Sane, professional, Presidential conduct

    That's not much to ask.
     
  14. InvestigatorIL

    InvestigatorIL Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2014
    Messages:
    3,758
    Likes Received:
    1,247
    Not much... Put up a better candidate then the Dems. I would have voted Kasich over Hillary. I voted for Bruce Rauner as my state Governor over the Dem incumbent.
     
  15. ripskater

    ripskater Guest

    The democrats would have to stop being socialist, marxist and anti-Christian values for me to vote for them.
     
  16. kpt018

    kpt018 Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2011
    Messages:
    24,024
    Likes Received:
    17,112
    For thinking people it's very simple. Here you have it:

    Pan, I'm curious if you are voting a write-in because you disagree with Trump's views or do you think he's incompetent, or some other reason?

    When your party's candidate(s) and agenda no longer align with your views you jump ship. Obviously no candidate will perfectly align with your positions but you give weight to those were you diverge. For example I do not agree with some of the left's position on guns but given it isn't a big issue for me and the left isn't pushing anything insane it doesn't carry enough weight that I need to change my vote.

    I would also oppose a candidate that did align with my views if I felt that person was totally incompetent and had bad judgement, lacked intelligence, poor temperament, etc..
     
  17. Thurisaz

    Thurisaz He is risen Banned

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2006
    Messages:
    6,999
    Likes Received:
    4,295
    Location:
    Nationalist Right
    If the managed to show they possessed some sanity and morality it would be a good start.
     
  18. Dolomite

    Dolomite Red Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    9,145
    Likes Received:
    4,005
    I'll vote for whoever the fuck anybody wants me to - for a paltry $25 by way of PayPal.





    ETA: Shucks, did I say "$25"? I really meant $20.
     
  19. berimBOWLoh

    berimBOWLoh Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    12,493
    Likes Received:
    7,022
    this "us or them" mentality is right where they wanted ppl at from the beginning. Seems alot of ppl have bought in.

    there are more choices than A or B. just need a level playing field to see the truth. Bernie wanted to start the route to that field thru election reform and his own party made sure he had no chance from the get go. that says all you need to really know.
     
  20. dontsnitch

    dontsnitch Steel Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2013
    Messages:
    26,895
    Likes Received:
    20,793
    I would return to the Left if they returned, even if just on paper, to being anti-interventionist, if they condemned all this progressive nonsense like trans-bathrooms, and non-binary gender crap they're indoctrinating children with, and if their idea of debate did not consist of pathologizing the other side.

    Sadly, I agree with the Left on more things that I do the Right, but they've thrown logic out the window and they're as imperialist as the Right, so it's really not a tough choice.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.