What would Cain do when Jones stopped his TDs?

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  1. Combat Wombatt

    Combat Wombatt Brown Belt

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    Many people thought that DC's wrestling would be enough to put Jones on his back. After a hard won fight it was Jones who was putting DC on his back and he did it more than once. I said that DC would lose to Jones but could still beat Cain, and I still believe that. However, this is Jones we are talking about. I thought his Fight IQ, reach, athleticism, skill, and other abilities and having Greg Jackson as his coach would make the difference. Jone's great Fight IQ and having Jackson as a coach can't be underestimated. Jackson made a great gameplan for Jones against Glover and we saw how that worked. It helps that Jones can actually carry out Jackson's gameplan also, just like GSP could.

    People say that Cain's pace, cardio, wrestling, and stamina will easily carry him to victory over Jones. They said similar things about DC minus the cardio and stamina.

    However, Cain is a lot like DC and many other fighters. Looks great when he's dominating, but we don't know how he'll look when he isn't. The one time Cain wasn't dominating he was lying facedown on the mat, so you can't tell how he'd handle not having his way. Obviously we saw DC looked when he wasn't dominating. He appeared to slow down, gas, and appeared to break in the 3rd round. Cain has looked tired before, when he was fighting JDS, so it is possible to tire Cain out, just like anyone else.

    So, Cain looks great when he's dominating and having his way with his opponents, it helps his cardio when he's imposing his will. Your cardio can take a hit when you're the one who's on the losing end.


    But what happens when Jones stops Cain's TDs and even puts Cain on his back? Cain's never been on his back long enough for someone to work him over. Lesnar put Cain down but Cain popped right back up again. Cain's cardio might look different if he has Jones hitting him with body shots, knees, kicks, and elbows wearing him down like he work DC down.


    Everyone who talks about Cain beating Jones explains the fight going with the narrative of Cain steamrolling Jones and not facing any adversity. It could be a ver different fight if Cain's on his back or Cain can't get the TD and impose his will. We might then see Cain's vaunted cardio start to wear down.


    Cain is said to have great Fight IQ but I'm not sure if that's been proven. He does the same thing every fight. Strikes to TD, wear down with GnP, rinse and repeat to victory. He's never had to really do anything different than that.

    Also, I think DC has a better chin then Cain. I think Cain has a good chin with great recovery, I just don't think he has a granite chin like Big Nog or Hendo and that Jones could hurt him bad or stun him with a strike, especially with a close elbow in the clinch. And Jon Jones has great killer instinct, if he see Cain hurt he'll go for the submission finish quickly and end it rather then the exact wrong reaction like Kongo when he was dropping Cain. Cain's chin could be what is his downfall after repeated strikes from Jones accumulate. Being rocked once can change the outcome of a fight, look at Couture vs. Sylvia. If Jones hurts Cain in the fight it could change the course of the fight or set the tempo for rest of the fight. Cain's reach is 77", Jones is 84.5", that's a 7.5" reach advantage for Jones and if used correctly could keep Cain at bay.


    I don't think they would fight at HW since Jones doesn't seem to want to do that but a catchweight fight could happen.


    So what happens in a Jones vs. Cain fight when Cain can't get the TD?
     
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    Inverse Ginger Belt Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Jones beats Cain decisively.
     
  3. LostMyWay

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    Lol'ed.
     
  4. OriginMMA

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    Cain would keep shooting like he did in the first Junior fight. Junior stuffed Cain SEVERAL times, that didn't change the outcome.
     
  5. Th3Sav4ge

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  6. Fedor2000

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    Cain wont stop.. He will try and try again and once Bones is tired he will get the take down and beat him until Herb saves Jons life!
     
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    I consider myself a Jones fan but I really don't see how he could be favored to beat Cain. Could he beat him? Probably. Would he? Probably not.
     
  8. Szwok

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    the figth wont happen. Cain wont drop to 205 as he saw what happened to DC. JBJ wont move up as he wants to be the goat!
     
  9. deviake

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    I think Cain is a better fighter than DC, and would beat if not dominate Jones.

    If Cain couldn't get the take-down (which I believe he would at some point), I think he would out-strike Jones. He has nasty leg kicks, good boxing, good clinch work, rough ground-and-pound, and would strike his way in.

    I believe overall that Cain is a better fighter than DC in every aspect other than pure wrestling, and I think his MMA wrestling might be better.

    That's a hard night for Jones as I see it.
     
  10. BornPure87

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    Sounds about right.
     
  11. 5H3RD0G

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    I thought DC went for single leg high too much and tried once low. JBJ did the more high percentage double leg and went low. I also notice JBJ counters better, DC would answer but he didn't counter in time. JBJ is good at keeping his base and staying at an angle with his size. You have to get in low and deep to take him down. Tough task.
     
  12. Thai Kwon Jiu

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    Does Cain even remember how to fight?
     
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    I don't like Cain but he never stops working during a fight. Jones got to rest a lot against the fence against DC, Cain would put a lot more pressure on him.
     
  14. See O

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    Cain would emberess jones
     
  15. Combat Wombatt

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    Like the OP said, catchweight.
     
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    He would try again and again untill he got it
     
  17. See O

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    Jones is to much of a pussy to move up and fight cain. He'd come up with some excuse like GSP always did, and pretend to be so educated about it. Fans will jack off to his voice as he explained
     
  18. chiefwiggum

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    I would bet on bones against anyone after last night. He's the best fighter I've ever seen and my favorite fighter is Fedor.
     
  19. ZuffaExecutive

    ZuffaExecutive Red Belt

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    I think Jones could beat him.

    Its one thing when your fighting a fight at your own pace.But I believe John would get takedowns on cain and would engage the clinch.And it would effect cains cardio.

    Cain has fought 2 people in like forever.And will be coming back from a shoulder injury+ an acl injury.

    I think outside of a big shot Jones striking,and wrestling would see him beat cain.

    One thing I admire about Jones is he has the heart of a champion,when the going gets tough he gets tougher.When the going got tough for cain he rolled over and found a way out
     
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