Regimen What would be a routine for Kickboxing / MMA ?

[dentalplan]

Exactly thought about him but forgot the name. He really did Karate in there. Old school kickboxing is better, Holzken vs Daniels, clear style demonstration. To be fair prime Holzken is top elite kickboxing. Daniels did very well as Karate stylist.

I feel like if they were fighting in a bigger open space than Raymond could have done better by having room to escape Holzken's relentless pressure and maintain the distance.

 

[Trabaho]

I feel like if they were fighting in a bigger open space than Raymond could have done better by having room to escape Holzken's relentless pressure and maintain the distance.

I feel like Nicky solved him. But Daniel really translated to kickboxing in his prime. He was tough.

 

[maximus__]

Because you are basically telling a guy to go train nothing but skill practice and sparring full bore without even addressing his athletic base. It is a recipe for injury and disaster.

No i am not. I haven't said just do technique only once. You kept bringing up athletes to support your position without realizing they actually had success by developing technique. Nobody just did a strength and conditioning program. In fact they did the opposite in most cases.

Read my post at the start of the thread for @Trabaho .I outlayed how to do technical training and build over atleast a month of being consistent to 3 sessions a week.If he couldn't do 3 sessions, consistently each week he wasn't ready to add more work. It was a self limiting approach to get build him to a decent training load.

I added a single strength day for another couple weeks until adding another, for two total. I gave him a good beginner strength training program to focus on building a respectable squat, bench and deadlift for sets of 5. I even built in an option to go by feel because he likes to do that.

I added some aerobic work if he felt it was needed and gave the option for short additional anaerobic/assistance work IF he was recovered enough from the other sessions.

I said to use this as a base and change the amount of sessions based off focus at that time. Want to get stronger? Do 3 strength sessions and drop a technical session. Want to fight? Do more technical session and drop the others to a bare minimum.

I even based it around him still getting to do random stuff because I knew he would do it.

He gets better technically as the focus, adds just enough strength to progress and when he feels good can add in some long steady state work. Strength and conditioning for combat sport for dummies. All you need to do is add some power and prehab work as needed. I didn't include that because he would do some random things himself.

You would almost think I know what combat athletes do and had my bases covered for the stupid things they do without telling the coaches. Or even better the coaches do without telling the other coaches in an MMA camp setting...

 

[ROcknrollracing]

No i am not. I haven't said just do technique only once. You kept bringing up athletes to support your position without realizing they actually had success by developing technique. Nobody just did a strength and conditioning program. In fact they did the opposite in most cases.

Read my post at the start of the thread for @Trabaho .I outlayed how to do technical training and build over atleast a month of being consistent to 3 sessions a week.If he couldn't do 3 sessions, consistently each week he wasn't ready to add more work. It was a self limiting approach to get build him to a decent training load.

I added a single strength day for another couple weeks until adding another, for two total. I gave him a good beginner strength training program to focus on building a respectable squat, bench and deadlift for sets of 5. I even built in an option to go by feel because he likes to do that.

I added some aerobic work if he felt it was needed and gave the option for short additional anaerobic/assistance work IF he was recovered enough from the other sessions.

I said to use this as a base and change the amount of sessions based off focus at that time. Want to get stronger? Do 3 strength sessions and drop a technical session. Want to fight? Do more technical session and drop the others to a bare minimum.

I even based it around him still getting to do random stuff because I knew he would do it.

He gets better technically as the focus, adds just enough strength to progress and when he feels good can add in some long steady state work. Strength and conditioning for combat sport for dummies. All you need to do is add some power and prehab work as needed. I didn't include that because he would do some random things himself.

You would almost think I know what combat athletes do and had my bases covered for the stupid things they do without telling the coaches. Or even better the coaches do without telling the other coaches in an MMA camp setting...

It should be the exact opposite. You start off with more s and c and less frequent skill practice then you add weekly sessions to skill/sport specific practice to tolerate the volume. One day of s and c is not anywhere near optimal. It’s almost as if I haven’t participated in sports and fighting with my 41 years on planet earth.

 

[Trabaho]

You would almost think I know what combat athletes do and had my bases covered for the stupid things they do without telling the coaches. Or even better the coaches do without telling the other coaches in an MMA camp setting...

Do you train at Adesanyas gym ?

 

[Trabaho]

It should be the exact opposite. You start off with more s and c and less frequent skill practice then you add weekly sessions to skill/sport specific practice to tolerate the volume. One day of s and c is not anywhere near optimal. It’s almost as if I haven’t participated in sports and fighting with my 41 years on planet earth.

Where did you learn Baseball, Baskteball, how was the practice structured there ? Did people focus on athletic feats or practice with the ball ?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Where did you learn Baseball, Baskteball, how was the practice structured there ? Did people focus on athletic feats or practice with the ball ?

No I did more s and c during martial arts than I ever did in other sports. It was suboptimal because the science had not really caught up then. It was flat out mistake to not do more of it. Technique, practice and conditioning got me fairly far. Better S and C would have got me a lot farther. It was the best available option at the time.

 

[Trabaho]

No I did more s and c during martial arts than I ever did in other sports. It was suboptimal because the science had not really caught up then. It was flat out mistake to not do more of it. Technique, practice and conditioning got me fairly far. Better S and C would have got me a lot farther. It was the best available option at the time.

What is better s&c ? Recovery or other excercises.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

What is better s&c ? Recovery or other excercises.

Activity is always better than recovery. If you only trained when you were recovered you would never train.

 

[Trabaho]

I mean your karate "fights" and sparrings all last a few seconds at a time right ? Till someone lands than it's reset ?

So imagine you have to cook for 3-5 minutes in a row and do that 3-5 times for one event.

Than you would want to have more skill and technique. As opposed to just I'm going to hit him hard and hit him first.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

I mean your karate "fights" and sparrings all last a few seconds at a time right ? Till someone lands than it's reset ?

So imagine you have to cook for 3-5 minutes in a row and do that 3-5 times for one event.

Than you would want to have more skill and technique. As oppsoed to just I'm going to hit him hard and hit him first.

in tournaments it went by a scoring system but in sparring sessions it was either light contact until the round was over or hard contact and we would stop if somebody got hurt to badly until they were able to continue sparring.

In grappling we simply learned the basics and went until somebody submitted.

If you look at that tiger rock website they added several other arts like hapkido, hanmundo and bjj to the actual curriculum. I still know old instructors there that started that franchise. Some have died. Im glad I moved away from that style tbh even though the main guy wanted me to stay and be a full time instructor. When I wanted to get back into karate I dropped in to a couple of American top team classes. They really cant teach me anything that I dont already know it would have been more about getting back into fight rhythm and fight shape for competitions. I like baseball more and ive been fairly successful at it. If I ever go play golf which is rare It ends up being a speed golf round.

I think combat karate is like 3 minute rounds last time I checked. I wanted to do that.

 

[Trabaho]

in tournaments it went by a scoring system but in sparring sessions it was either light contact until the round was over or hard contact and we would stop if somebody got hurt to badly until they were able to continue sparring.

In grappling we simply learned the basics and went until somebody submitted.

Did your dad beat you up or your mom ?

 

[maximus__]

It should be the exact opposite. You start off with more s and c and less frequent skill practice then you add weekly sessions to skill/sport specific practice to tolerate the volume. One day of s and c is not anywhere near optimal. It’s almost as if I haven’t participated in sports and fighting with my 41 years on planet earth.

Why would I tell an athlete that wants to do kickboxing to not do kickboxing? It's a fantasy approach that doesn't work with athletes. Same with MMA.

Why wouldn't I get him doing the sport that will take him from being unconditioned and unskilled and then add some extra stuff to that as opposed to your approach which doesn't even get him doing what he wants to do? His sport will improve basic conditioning. He will get basic plyos, mobility and conditioning through, skipping, footwork drills and pad/bag work. If you can't do that 3x a week, you don't need more than that.

You can do all the other work you want and will still struggle to finish a kickboxing training session until you just get used to doing that. Specificity and the SAID principle and all that good shit.

Why would I spend all this time preparing to do a sport that soccer moms do recreationally for a bit of fun? Why wouldn't I just get someone doing the sport and build from there once they actually train enough to warrant extra focused training.

Do you train at Adesanyas gym ?

No, but yes to people from that camp in the past. People with solid wins over people that fought in the UFC. They didn't even make it and are on a completely different level when they actually turn it on properly.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

Did your dad beat you up or your mom ?

There was only one guy that could beat me in that dojo and when we sparred everybody would stop to watch. He could beat me because he was vastly stronger than I was at the time.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

As for featherweights beating me I am 100% certain I would beat a guy from my area that was the champion of legacy and other fight promotions. He also played in an adult league with for baseball. Known him since grade school. There is another guy from my area that is a heavyweight that is making waves in the UFC. You think that I am lying about what im saying but im not.

Why would I tell an athlete that wants to do kickboxing to not do kickboxing? It's a fantasy approach that doesn't work with athletes. Same with MMA.

Why wouldn't I get him doing the sport that will take him from being unconditioned and unskilled and then add some extra stuff to that as opposed to your approach which doesn't even get him doing what he wants to do? His sport will improve basic conditioning. He will get basic plyos, mobility and conditioning through, skipping, footwork drills and pad/bag work. If you can't do that 3x a week, you don't need more than that.

You can do all the other work you want and will still struggle to finish a kickboxing training session until you just get used to doing that. Specificity and the SAID principle and all that good shit.

Why would I spend all this time preparing to do a sport that soccer moms do recreationally for a bit of fun? Why wouldn't I just get someone doing the sport and build from there once they actually train enough to warrant extra focused training.

No, but yes to people from that camp in the past. People with solid wins over people that fought in the UFC. They didn't even make it and are on a completely different level when they actually turn it on properly.

You are missing the fact that general s and c prevents injuries. What do you think people did when corona virus hit and couldn't spar anybody. They ramped up their s and c if they were smart. If you go out and try to train mma 4x weeks completely unprepared for it you are in for a rude awakening.

 

[Trabaho]

There was only one guy that could beat me in that dojo and when we sparred everybody would stop to watch. He could beat me because he was vastly stronger than I was at the time.

what does that have to do with what I asked

 

[Trabaho]

There is another guy from my area that is a heavyweight that is making waves in the UFC. You think that I am lying about what im saying but im not.

And what about him ? You ever tried to grab him or hit him ?

 

[ROcknrollracing]

And what about him ? You ever tried to grab him or hit him ?

Nearly ran him over in a run down at the plate. he cut a forward roll flip to try to reach home plate.

 

[Trabaho]

Nearly ran him over in a run down at the plate. he cut a forward roll flip to try to reach home plate.

What does this mean ? Run down at the plate, reach the home plate. Remember I don't speak english

 

[ROcknrollracing]

what does that have to do with what I asked

Because he was stronger he was the better fighter. It is as simple as that. People make this complicated when it isn't. Everybody knows that the stronger fighter USUALLY wins. The only reason they have weight classes in mma is to sell cards. Nobody would watch if it was only heavyweights fighting every match. It creates parody.