1. The official Sherdog Store is back! Check it out! » Discuss it here! »

What UFC fighters could a 260 lb elite college wrestler beat

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by BigMuffler, May 31, 2014.

  1. BigMuffler Loli is love loli is life!

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2012
    Messages:
    27,166
    Likes Received:
    0
    with no formal training in striking or grappling with submissions? Let's say he watches UFC so he at least has some idea of what submissions are. Could he beat any male UFC level fighters, and if so up to what weight class?
     
  2. berimBOWLoh Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    12,496
    Likes Received:
    3
    probably could beat most of the lighter weight classes.

    its basically asking who Brock could beat and we know it was alot of HWs, nevermind lighter guys.
     
  3. Degen Gambler Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2013
    Messages:
    12,141
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sarah Cheesecake Moras
     
  4. HELVETE Green Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2010
    Messages:
    1,031
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Sweden
    Probably up to the very elite of LHW. Weight classes exist for a reason.
     
  5. Y0cc3 Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2013
    Messages:
    679
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    UFC
    Pat Barry (well, former UFC)
    Lavar Johnson (former)
     
  6. Enigma87 Red Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2013
    Messages:
    7,606
    Likes Received:
    1,438
    Location:
    Maine
    Cody Mckenzie
     
  7. AndreDGiant4eva Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2007
    Messages:
    2,388
    Likes Received:
    0
    90% of those under 185 (great bjj guys like prime aoki could sub him).
    75% of middle weights
    50% of lhw
    25% of hw
     
  8. RJK Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2007
    Messages:
    5,195
    Likes Received:
    96
    Location:
    Australia
    No it's not; Lesnar trained a long time before his MMA debut.

    TS: You could watch some of Dan Severn's fights from early UFCs to get some idea, although most of his opponents at the time were single discipline fighters too.
     
  9. Spawned_Fighter nobody but me

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2006
    Messages:
    20,681
    Likes Received:
    0
    pretty much agreed
    id jump right back up in heavyweight imo tho. overall shallow division and i say an elite wrestler would go through abuch
     
  10. pudgelarson36 Green Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2007
    Messages:
    1,232
    Likes Received:
    153
    IRoyce triangled Severn. It would only be easier for today's fighters.
     
  11. welcometohavoc Yellow Card Yellow Card

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    19,888
    Likes Received:
    1,763
    Location:
    Maryland
    With no BJJ experience, the wrestler is getting tapped.

    Please see UFC 1
     
  12. Pre TUF White Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Messages:
    42
    Likes Received:
    0
    If you asked Dana, none of them could be Rhonda.
     
  13. DrHouse Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2009
    Messages:
    14,770
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Princeton Plainsboro
    Short answer: FW and below he may be able to smother, LW and above I see them all subbing him or KOing him on the feet before the takedown.

    Long answer: There's a lot more factors than just his weight and wrestling level, can he take a punch? Is he an aggressive wrestler or a defensive, counter wrestler? Is he mentally able to hold it together in a cage in front of thousands of fans? etc. Not to mention this term "UFC level" is under a lot of scrutiny these days anyway, I'm not even sure what it means. To me, it means an MMA fighter who at the bare minimum is able to hold a position in the UFC for an extended period of time i.e 3 years or more. Some people say it's literally any guy that makes it into the UFC, which I think is completely fallacious.
     
  14. DrHouse Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2009
    Messages:
    14,770
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Princeton Plainsboro
    With no formal MMA training? That's insane.
     
  15. HockeyBjj Putting on the foil

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    21,267
    Likes Received:
    7,281
    Elite 260lb wrestler? Top 15 Middleweights could probably do it, maybe Hendrix or Lawler. Bout half the light heavies would be fine, some of the slower ones would get smothered and wouldn't be able to get off their back. And then I'd imagine, even without any striking or sub training, he could beat a few bottom of the barrel Heavyweights.

    Welterweight and below, I don't think anyone could give him trouble on the feet besides Big Rigg and Lawler just because they wouldn't have the power or reach. but there may be a few guys who could pull of tricky subs.

    Something like this from a 155er would actually work
    [​IMG]
    I don't think brute strength would get him out of a thing like that. Like I said, it'd have to be sneaky. Not gonne force an arm back for a kimura or avoid getting rampage slammed on a triangle attempt from guard
     
  16. sportkillergreg Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2013
    Messages:
    4,088
    Likes Received:
    4
    wow that looks like a tekken move or something, awesome
     
  17. roller Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2008
    Messages:
    5,408
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Its been awhile.... There was a 260-pound national champion wrestler at UFC 1?

    I remember Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock against a boxer and a bunch of out of shape kickboxers/brawlers.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  18. Calivornia Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2013
    Messages:
    1,854
    Likes Received:
    60
    Yep. With zero formal jits training, you're going to get locked by almost anyone. And that, right soon.
     
  19. RayLewis52 Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2011
    Messages:
    248
    Likes Received:
    0
    Love that pictures of Jimmerson. I remember thinking that Art was going to demolish Gracie!

    Wrestlers were kept out of UFC 1 for reason. No way a 170 lb guy is taking down an elite NCAA HW wrestler.

    To the answer the question, I think an elite NCAA heavyweight (by elite I mean All American) with no MMA training could beat some of the bottom level guys at 185 and below. With no striking, submission defense or submissions, the pure wrestler would not fair well against today's top guys in any of the weight classes 155 and above. The FW, BWs, I would like to see it.
     
  20. mmaElite53 Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2010
    Messages:
    1,876
    Likes Received:
    69
    Lol no training? A lot of ww's would beat him. And forget about 185 and up.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.