What The Hell Happened To Jackson-Wink Gym?

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I remember when their fighters were top of the pile...

Damn...things sure have changed.
 
A lot of their athletes have been figured out. Holly hasn't really done anything new in her career since she first started. She hasn't added anything of note to her gameplan. Same can be said for Cowboy and about half a dozen other Jack-Wink fighters.

They just get figured out by a lack of adaptation to the sport. So many fighters are now surpassing them technique and gameplan wise, leaving the Jackson camp holding a lot of Ls.

Someone like Jones is so diverse and skillful, along with a few other of their fighters are fine when it comes to this. The majority of that gym is in serious shit unless they change their whole approach.
 
ABSthetics said:
A lot of their athletes have been figured out. Holly hasn't really done anything new in her career since she first started. She hasn't added anything of note to her gameplan. Same can be said for Cowboy and about half a dozen other Jack-Wink fighters.

They just get figured out by a lack of adaptation to the sport. So many fighters are now surpassing them technique and gameplan wise, leaving the Jackson camp holding a lot of Ls.
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couldn't agree more jacked emo boy
 
Overeem - old and was always inconsistent
Condit - old in fight years and has lost his passion
Cowboy - old in fight years
Holly - old and was always limited, though a good striker
Arlovski - old and has been KOed 100 times (applies to Reem too)
Jones - ...

They need Travis Browne back, he will turn things around for them!
 
Hey Jackson Wink, Parillo don't blink:

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ABSthetics said:
A lot of their athletes have been figured out. Holly hasn't really done anything new in her career since she first started. She hasn't added anything of note to her gameplan. Same can be said for Cowboy and about half a dozen other Jack-Wink fighters.

They just get figured out by a lack of adaptation to the sport. So many fighters are now surpassing them technique and gameplan wise, leaving the Jackson camp holding a lot of Ls.

Someone like Jones is so diverse and skillful, along with a few other of their fighters are fine when it comes to this. The majority of that gym is in serious shit unless they change their whole approach.
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Same with Diego and Carlos, watching the list of fighters in their roster none of them have very good boxing its mostly flashy stuff. They're good at exposing one dimentional fighters but with a bit of gameplan they're the ones that become one dimentional.
The exceptions obviously being Jones who would be good even training out of his basement and Cub who if i recall spars pro boxers.
 
I remember when Lions Den was the shit. Good times tho
 
Between Overeems, Cowboy, Lando's Holly's etc. reoccurring losses, it seems to me that they would do well doubling on good old boxing defense.

I'm no boxing hugger, and I think standup in MMA is way different, but still it seems to me that they tend to do a lot of weird shit instead of what works.
 
BigMuffler said:
Overeem - old and was always inconsistent
Condit - old in fight years and has lost his passion
Cowboy - old in fight years
Holly - old and was always limited, though a good striker
Arlovski - old and has been KOed 100 times (applies to Reem too)
Jones - ...

They need Travis Browne back, he will turn things around for them!
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So in otherwords half of the top talent at Jackson's now are cherry picked guys who started out at other camps. Jones wasn't from Jackson's(Jones would have excelled at any camp he went to), Overeem was well established before Jackson's as was Arlovski.
 
Supposedly they have lost 19 fights in a row, which if true is ridiculous.

I heard a theory that the gym’s decline in recent years is attributable to the fact that the standard of MMA striking has improved significantly while Winkeljohn is extremely limited as a coach.
 
There’s a reason george brought in roach ya know
 
Mob69 said:
Supposedly they have lost 19 fights in a row, which if true is ridiculous.

I heard a theory that the gym’s decline in recent years is attributable to the fact that the standard of MMA striking has improved significantly while Winkeljohn is extremely limited as a coach.
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It's not a stretch.

I remember when this gym was king of point fighting game plans.
 
Tinpot gym. GSP made Greg Jackson relevant
 
Hollly put in the best performance of her career last night.

I think they need some fresh blood, their best fighters have been around for a while.
 
They're still good at gameplanning, their fighters just lost a step. If they can convince 2 judges that the Cyborg fight was 48-47 via whiffing punches and grunts and screeches and stalling against the cage, it shows they still know how to plan. If Holm wouldn't have run out of steam and managed to stall for another minute against the cage after getting beat up in any of the last 3 rounds she would have won via incompetent judging. They did the same for Leonard Garcia, he would pretty much punch air and still win, it's quite amazing actually to see it still works.
 
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