Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Deltafarce, Jan 13, 2013.
Was it individual techniques or just everything ?
In reality? he just removed the emphasis on tachiwaza and pinning and made it about submissions
The Japanese, known for being huge, tall, muscle-bound
Helio is the Lady Gaga to Kano's Madonna.
actually I'd say Helio is to Elvis to as Kano is to Carl Perkins or any old African American blues musician.
Everyone knows about Elvis, but only the cool in the know people know about Carl Perkins and the old African American blues singers
and because I can't stand Madonna and hate the idea of thinking of Kano in that light.
Pics? I have heard this but can't recall actually seeing the pictures
He had a nasty collar choke that he didn't invent and big balls to fight kimura. And pretty good PR.
Even when helio was young, he was a fragile weak old man. A sick, sick boy.
Edit: wrong place
Funny thing is, with more or less trolling in this thread, the question is quite legit and no one had a slighty aproach to an answer.
I'm going to just post my little essay on this topic from an old thread:
To a certain extent.
His sons (back in the early days of MMA/NHB) were a bit more comfortable using the guard in a fight. I saw Royce, Royler, and Rickson all use the guard in fights and all of them were very good (for that time) at avoiding strikes and using the guard to their advantage.
By contrast, in the fights from the late 90's, guys like Wallid and Bittetti would avoid using the guard in MMA, EVER. They would sprawl, turtle, and do whatever they could to avoid ending up on their back, and it cost them both dearly. Sperry was another guy who seemed lost if he couldn't get the TD and get top position (though he actually has a very good guard, just scared to use it in MMA) he would be vulnerable.
Ricardo de la Riva was a Carlson student who made some innovations with the guard, but he also wasn't a real MMA competitor.
I don't know if he had Vale Tudo fights, but the one time he was supposed to compete in MMA, he refused because his opponent had missed weight.
Something that would really help answer this question is to see what Gracie Jiu Jitsu looked like in its early days.
I wonder at what point it started emphasising ground work.
What im guessing is that they found it easier to accomplish the ground techniques than the standing techniques which do take quiet a while to get right. As said by a previous poster, they may have just thought that the technique required strength rather than them not doing the technique correctly.
I think something they may have noticed is that it takes less time to get proficient at ground work than standing techniques.
I believe if you trained a person from scratch for 3 months standing techniques and 3 months ground techniques that they will be able to perform more of the ground techniques on a resisting inexperienced opponent than doing standing techniques on a resisting inexperienced opponent.
They may have realised that and concentrated on ground techniques.
Why do people still think judo is for big people. The Japanese aren't even big at all. They're under like 5 ft..
Then there's this one of him and Carlos, where he appears to be the larger man:
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