What Pacquiao Did Was Incredible. Especially after Conor...

[Pastafarian2]

WOW.


dude was special. the progression of his career was amazing. 1 punch KO power in the lower weight classes. But didn't end up relying on it even as he transitioned into higher weight classes. What he did to Margarito is absolutely mindblowing considering Margarito would rape the Diazes standing.

 

[Sunfish]

Margarito? Making him weigh in at 150, after a massive layoff for cheating and blocks punches with his face. Are you trying to insult manny or give him credit?

 

[Pastafarian2]

but gave him a full training camp unlike conor did to nate.

what's wrong with making margarito weigh in at 150? He was a career 147er.

 

[nac386]

Conor's problem is that he was going for a big knockout instead of chipping away at the larger fighter.

 

[nac386]

Margarito? Making him weigh in at 150, after a massive layoff for cheating and blocks punches with his face. Are you trying to insult manny or give him credit?

Margarito looked great at 150, not drained at all. It is probably the best he has ever looked. He had a fight only 5 months before Pacquiao, and he had a top 5 trainer in his corner. Everything was lined up for a good, fair fight.

Pacquiao was a bit plumper at the weigh in, a bit more body fat than usual. That was a case of Pac going up to Marg, not the other way around.

 

[Sunfish]

Margarito looked great at 150, not drained at all. It is probably the best he has ever looked. He had a fight only 5 months before Pacquiao, and he had a top 5 trainer in his corner. Everything was lined up for a good, fair fight.

Pacquiao was a bit plumper at the weigh in, a bit more body fat than usual. That was a case of Pac going up to Marg, not the other way around.

It was a cheap way to win a jmw belt. And Tony looked like shit which was the consensus among the regulars back then before the fight. About as important to mannys legacy as berto was to floyd or mormeck to wlads.

 

[nac386]

It was a cheap way to win a jmw belt. And Tony looked like shit which was the consensus among the regulars back then before the fight. About as important to mannys legacy as berto was to floyd or mormeck to wlads.

There are so many belts I do not really put a lot of importance on that aspect of it. Strictly from a competitive standpoint, there was nothing cheap about fighting a guy like that at that weight.

Margarito cannot be compared to Berto, that is going way too far. If you asked me a year ago I honestly would have told you that I thought Berto was retired. He was more inactive than Margarito, 3-3 in his last 6, was never any good, and was not huge. That is a bad comparison.

And a lot of those regulars think that Margarito, with his newly destroyed eye, was on his way to defeating Cotto a year after the Pac fight.

 

[Sunfish]

There are so many belts I do not really put a lot of importance on that aspect of it. Strictly from a competitive standpoint, there was nothing cheap about fighting a guy like that at that weight.

Margarito cannot be compared to Berto, that is going way too far. If you asked me a year ago I honestly would have told you that I thought Berto was retired. He was more inactive than Margarito, 3-3 in his last 6, was never any good, and was not huge. That is a bad comparison.

And a lot of those regulars think that Margarito, with his newly destroyed eye, was on his way to defeating Cotto a year after the Pac fight.

Who thought cotto wasn't going to win?

Tony was done.

 

[nac386]

Who thought cotto wasn't going to win?

Tony was done.

Seano believed it was unfolding like the first fight, with Margarito coming on late and Cotto fading. A few others agree with him. Maybe Canelo and Cuban were the others, but I do not remember.

 

[Canelo]

Its not a great comparison, Pacquaio always excelled against bigger, static opponents, the opposite could be said with Conor.

It was an impressive win but certainly not a great one. I'm pretty sure the fight unfolded exactly as expected. Pac used his speed, movement and power to fuck him and he'd do that ten times out of ten. It was a perfect style for Manny, I never worried about him against bigger guys, hes more effective against them.

Margarito was definitely getting stronger when the second fight was stopped. Cotto was clearly winning but those last few rounds would have been hard for him, is anyone denying that?

 

[Canelo]

Tony definitely wasn't 'done', he was begging for the fight to continue and was looking stronger by the round. Cotto was slowing down. That doesn't mean Tony would have won but he certainly wasnt done at that point and was getting into the strongest part of his fight.

 

[Sunfish]

Ok done is probably not a fair word. Way past his prime.

 

[nac386]

Ok done is probably not a fair word. Way past his prime.

I think he had more left for the Pac fight than Shane did. Shane really did not seem to have much to offer, but Margarito at least came out and still threw over 800 punches.

Even against Cotto he threw 700 punches in only 9 rounds, but had the bum eye to deal with that really probably should have kept him out of the ring altogether. But other than that, he could still fight. Nice to have you back around here, btw.

 

[Canelo]

It's hard to gauge how far gone Tony was at that point. He never had any flash speed or power so any drop offs in those areas would be hard to notice.

He was stilling to his usual shit though, throwing a lot of punches and taking a shot better than anyone. His eye alone puts him past his prime at that point but I think he was still pretty good physically.

I mean he fought the other day and still doesn't look as past it as Shane.

 

[10000 Days]

Wow #48 still has fans? I thought they all left after May outclassed him

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Margarito? Making him weigh in at 150, after a massive layoff for cheating and blocks punches with his face. Are you trying to insult manny or give him credit?

Whoa, did Consortium hijack your account?

 

[nac386]

I have always been a bit surprised by people who think Margarito was far past it for the Pacquiao fight. After that fight, sure, his eye was destroyed. But I have never heard a reasonable explanation for why the Margarito that fought Pacquiao was a bad version of Margarito.

The guy was 31. He was in sick shape, still threw a ton of punches, still took a tremendous punch, was fighting at a healthy weight for him after years of 147, etc. He was pretty much the same Margarito he always was, or like 90% of it.

You can say he was a good matchup style-wise for Pac, that's true. You can say the belt was a bit of a joke, which is also true. But Margarito was still in great condition and would have fucked up an awful lot of guys that night.

I think people should revisit some of the conclusions they came to at the time, because some of them sound a bit influenced by the emotions of the moment.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I have always been a bit surprised by people who think Margarito was far past it for the Pacquiao fight. After that fight, sure, his eye was destroyed. But I have never heard a reasonable explanation for why the Margarito that fought Pacquiao was a bad version of Margarito.

The guy was 31. He was in sick shape, still threw a ton of punches, still took a tremendous punch, was fighting at a healthy weight for him after years of 147, etc. He was pretty much the same Margarito he always was, or like 90% of it.

You can say he was a good matchup style-wise for Pac, that's true. You can say the belt was a bit of a joke, which is also true. But Margarito was still in great condition and would have fucked up an awful lot of guys that night.

I think people should revisit some of the conclusions they came to at the time, because some of them sound a bit influenced by the emotions of the moment.

You won't hear a "reasonable" explanation because there isn't one.

Some posters here must, under every and any circumstance undermine all of Pacquiao's accomplishments.

You can argue, that Margarito was still recovering from the devastating loss to Mosley but he had a good training camp, looked phenomenal....

 

[nac386]

You won't hear a "reasonable" explanation because there isn't one.

Some posters here must, under every and any circumstance undermine all of Pacquiao's accomplishments.

You can argue, that Margarito was still recovering from the devastating loss to Mosley but he had a good training camp, looked phenomenal....

He had a year off to recover, then he had a comeback fight, then fought Pacquiao. Margarito was perfectly fine. He had a great trainer, he was in insane shape, he was not forced to make 147, and he was perfectly healthy mentally and physically by all accounts. There was nothing wrong with Margarito.

He even looked pretty solid against Cotto in the rematch, minus the horrific eye that Pac gave him. 700 punches in 9 rounds, still had his stamina and chin.

Who the hell do people think Margarito was in his prime? The guy was not doing anything drastically different at any point.

 

[Cracky]

Conor's problem is that he was going for a big knockout instead of chipping away at the larger fighter.

Nah.. he got caught and hurt while retreating.. that was his problem.. when the going got tough, he turned into a wrestler..and as I said before the fight, going to the ground with Nate is as good as giving up...