What makes you think Gaethje is a worst stylistic matchup than Cowboy for Conor?

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  1. deman

    deman Blue Belt

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    Why would McGregor lose to a no-mark journeyman like this? He outclassed the guys that smashed Gaethje. Like, really outclassed
     
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  2. Cylence

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    First of all I want to say that I respect the fuck out of Cowboy. He's cut from a different cloth with how much he fights.

    That said, the primary reason why Gaethje is several levels above the stylistic challenge meter for Conor than Cowboy, is because of his durability.

    Cowboy has the tendency to fold. I know that's a common narrative, but it's true especially when your comparing him to Cowboy.

    I'll put it to you this way, go ask RDA, Diaz, Masvidal, or pretty much any of Cowboy's conquerors if they would like to fight him again. I guarantee there won't be much hesitation.

    Then go ask Alvarez or Dustin if they would like to fight Gaethje again. They would probably still do it, but they wouldn't be salivating at the fucking chance to do it. You have to go through hell and high water to beat Gaethje, not so much Cowboy.
     
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  3. GraciesFrontKick

    GraciesFrontKick Banned Banned

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    He can wrestle McGregor, he can kick the shit out of his legs, out cardio him and knock him out in any round.

    McGregor has never recorded a stoppage past two.

    With Conor the clock is always ticking. Once he gets tired and sloppy after 2 rounds anyone can beat him, especially a murderer like Gaethje.
     
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  4. MayhemMonkey

    MayhemMonkey Is it just me, or is it getting crazier out there?

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    Gaethje wouldnt get out of the first round... he's too sloppy, never uses his wrestling and legkicks can be checked... he seems incapable of doing anything to defend himself other than shelling up. That shit wont work against Conor.

    Easy work
     
  5. tat2man5k

    tat2man5k Black Belt

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    Good point, but they say it's pretty good!
     
  6. Doughie99

    Doughie99 Brown Belt

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    OK you asked a question, so here's my thoughts......

    No.1 Gaethje not a journeyman. He was champ in his previous organisation WSOF. Not a journeyman. 21fights, only 2 losses, and 17 of his 19 victories are KOs. That's 89% by KO !
    No.2 Gaethje has only lost (ever) to 2 people Alvarez and Poirier. McG vs Poirier was almost 5.5years ago, and in a different weight class, yes he clipped Poirier top of his head but it wasn't an "outclassing". Poirier would smash McG at 155lbs. I think Dana knows that.
    Alvarez fight is the only one that was a bit of a surprise, and credit to McG on that.
    No.3 Gaethje has a hell of a chin, he got slugged v hard by Michael Johnson and others and he just came back and won. He doesn't crumple up in a ball at the 1st sign of trouble as Cerrone does EVERY TIME. Gaethje is faster, more happy to be in a firefight, hits harder, bigger variety of shots, massive accurate repeated leg-kicks that destroy fighters, he has great wrestling if he needs that, he cannot be outpsyched or intimidated and he will not take any amount of money to fall on his sword. He already has money. *Not saying* Cerrone did that, but just making that point.
    No.4 McGregor has no cardio worth mentioning. Gaethje does. Especially bulked-up McG will have even less cardio than before. 2round fighter, that's it.

    Dana knows Gaethje is super dangerous, and very simply, he won't make that fight as he wants his Irish gravy-train to keep on rolling, and from a business viewpoint, I do understand that policy. Even if it's not fair to Gaethje.

    My guess is Dana will offer Gaethje the LOSER of Khabib vs Ferguson OR maybe something like the winner of Felder/Hooker.
     
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  7. cheesus

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    Justin is a hard fighter to break, he doesn't give up easily. He won't be able to outwrestle Conor that easily Conor but if he can manage to survive the initial onslaught he could drag out a dog fight. Cowboy has a tendancy to wilt under pressure and Conor tends to start strong, he was not prepared for Conor and everything leading up to the bout told us that, Justin will not show that same attitude toward Conor and have much more confidence in his abilities.
     
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    Dbreiden83080 Danger Zone

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    Man lets get this fight booked already..
     
  9. PAPERCLIP30

    PAPERCLIP30 Silver Belt

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    Because gaethje is a way better fighter than cowboy, and he’s in his prime.

    not saying Justin will win, but he’s obviously a tougher fight. Bro come on.
     
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  10. TheJohnnyWalkerEra

    TheJohnnyWalkerEra Brown Belt

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    Gaethje is better

    He's more on the level of Alvarez or Poirier
     
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  12. arcadeperfect

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    Gaethje doesn't wilt under pressure, he IS pressure. Of course it's entirely possible Conor just lights him up early like Michael Johnson did but actually seals the deal.
     
  13. Strategery

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    I don't see it either. Top blanket is his kryptonite.
     
  14. RoJo303

    RoJo303 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Gaethje has a severe case of Hendonitis tho - he is a decorated wrestler that forgot how to wrestle as he only worked on dem hands. It comes down to do people think a wrestler that just learned how to box will be able to out box a lifelong boxer? Maybe, but it could also be Andy vs Hendo do all over again.

    Also RE "McGregor has never recorded a stoppage past two". That is because he has only past past 2 rounds in three career fights and finishes everyone early. He is 100% in decisions too.
     
  15. RoJo303

    RoJo303 Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    Pressure vs McGregor gets you slept early on. There is a reason Khabib, Nate and even May were on their back foot early. Aldo and Eddie are great examples in the perils of pressuring Conor.
     
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    Bjjpitbull8 Red Belt

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    He’s 31 with a lot less fights and losses. Not to mention, he is coming off two straight wins. He seems to be peaking now. He is a much more dangerous fight than Cerrone.

    That said, I think Conor has a very good chance at winning. It’s like jones not doing hw. I think jones would win most fights at that class, but him not attempting to, is off putting. If Conor is this good, he should take riskier fights.
     
  17. arcadeperfect

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    That's my point. People seem to have this belief that Gaethje would steamroll him when it's quite the challenging fight for both guys. Gaethje has become more patient in his approach though, not nearly as careless as he used to be.
     
  18. deman

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    Dude, we hear this shit all the time. I'm a fight fan first & foremost but the excuses for his wins are beyond pathetic. Every time McGregor has "never fought anyone like this". Then when he wins, it's excuses. "Poirier was young, Aldo was stupid, Cerrone was coming off a loss". It's hilarious. Watch the prediction videos of his fights, it's cringeworthy stuff.
    Poirier would smash him at 155? Based on what? Hope? Mcgregors power transfers up the weight. He damn near gave Diaz brain damage, even in defeat.

    It's fucking absurd that supposed MMA fans pretend he isn't a top fighter or is ducking anybody. The guy won the 145lbs title & then immediately challenged RDA!!!
     
  19. sonofjay817

    sonofjay817 Brown Belt

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    For one thing he has a chin and a heart. Oops, that's two things.
     
  20. chardog

    chardog That's President Donald Trump

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    on paper, Gaethje is a problem for everyone. In practice, the guy has demonstrated rather poor fight IQ. I think he could have won both Dustin and Eddie fights had he exercised some discipline other than god of justbleed.
     

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