What is your go to muay thai plum defense?

[William Huggins]

Grab an over and under hook, get cup to cup and drive your head under their chin.......

 

[William Huggins]

Basics for plum in MT:

-50/50. Hand in his arm is not just resting there, it's controlling.
-Cup to cup.
-Stay tall.
-Always be aware of his hands.
-Always be aware of the space you give. Head space = elbows, body space = Knees.
-The forearms of the hands that are grabbing the head, must squeeze the neck. The elbows must dig in his chest, making a frame.
-Inside is a dominating position, but you can do good work and control from the outside.
-Learn how to swim safely. During swimming, beginners gives huge openings.
-Learn how to use your shoulders to break out.
-Train your balance, train to feel your opponents balance, train the basic moves to break his posture. The clinch is a lot more close to wrestling. You "feel" your opponent as much as you see him.
-Train the trips.
-Constantly push, pull, sideways etc... No rest.
-Cross-face is a basic technique, but there are lots of mistakes been made. From not using your entire body to been caught in an arm triangle.
-If you want to ref to reset it, bodylock, give no space for him to work at all.

Clinching is a world apart. It must be trained constantly. You cannot expect to be efficient in it in a couple of weeks, even if you have years of standup experience. The classic example is the huge KBoxers who go to Thailand to train, and are manhandle in the plum exercises from kids 1/3 of their weight.

Most Thai's can't swim........just saying.....

 

[DoctorTaco]

Really cool! How did she lose? Did she win clinch work?

She still lost the clinch work but it wasn’t bad- the girl would put my fighter into the plum, throw one knee and then break away. We won the first, took some eye pokes in the second and got caught with some
Whopper right hands. Third round was a
Coin toss.

My girl lost because she had to chase down her opponent all over the cage. When she would cut her off she wouldn’t enter into threat range intelligently so she’d get hit on her way in. She would throw back and do some damage but for the most part her opponent would move off again and get back on her bike

 

[j123]

-cup to cup, (well you should really be at this range normally when you're not striking in the clinch) -> bodylock -> dump

-crossface until the grip breaks, or when you have space re-position to something better

-If their grip isn't as tight, turn them, and as you turn push your hand through so you'll be able to get 50/50

Anderson w/h Rich Franking, iirc that grip was wasn't very tight, it had alot of room in between.

Basics for plum in MT:
-Throw uppercuts while being stuck in the plum
-Body hook your way out while stuck in there. It'll work because boxing is better

Fixed

 

[rmongler]

Tbh not even thais really use the 'thai plumb' all that often. The motion is most useful for cracking open someone who is shelling up defensively, or against someone unfamiliar with clinch fighting altogether (ie, against people not defending themselves intelligently).

The ways you can deal with a double collar tie are essentially comprable with the ways you can deal with collar ties in general;

You can scythe your elbow under his elbow to slot your underhook in (and push it in to a further underhook/crossface underhook to break their posture and land uncontested strikes).




Or you can get an elbow tie, or over-tie on the arm, or neck, and hit a slide-by.










It all participates in the same basic form.

 

[Chok Sok Te]

Right hand on bicep and left to push the face out of my direction whilst maintaining posture

 

[NoSmilez]

I think most Americans go to a wrestling tie up in the clinch which is bad for Muay Thai. They keep the hand on the outside of the bicep rather than inside. It leaves them way open for elbows and the other thing is that most places don't train elbows outside a pad/bag situation since certain rules prohibit it at an amateur level.

 

[rmongler]

I think most Americans go to a wrestling tie up in the clinch which is bad for Muay Thai. They keep the hand on the outside of the bicep rather than inside. It leaves them way open for elbows and the other thing is that most places don't train elbows outside a pad/bag situation since certain rules prohibit it at an amateur level.

Many of the best elbow fighters in the stadiums like Petchbonchu gravitate to the overtie (thats overtie, not overhook), since that lets them control the opponents arm while still leaving an avenue open for their own strike.








The shrug/slide-by/throw-by motion is also a commonly taught counter to reversing someone getting a collar tie on you and getting superior position on them.










Effective methods of controlling people in the clinch are effective methods of controlling people in the clinch.

I personally have a good interest in technical methods that have application across a broad range of different slices of the fight game. Even if in perhaps more absolute terms the level of refinement with regards to aspects of grappling might be higher in sports that, in terms of scoring provide greater reward, or in terms of rules more exclusively focus, on such aspects than in sports like muay thai, you can still never the less see the trends of what kinds of things the best guys gravitate towards more than not.

And once you see what sorts of things high level guys gravitate towards, you can then start looking for examples of things that involve that thing in other contexts too; look for people who specialize in such things at the highest levels of refinement against the toughest competition around, and see how they do them. You (and your partners) might be surprised by what you come back with.

 

[Cole train]

Knee to the balls and let the ref separate

 

[machidafan99]

I saw a fighter spin out it once in the UFC. Trying to remember who.

 

[fighthug]

This is the best defense.

You push the opponent's face with one hand. With this draws the force from the position. With the other enters the clich and breaks the opponent's posture.

 

[judoka loca]

Crossface, swim inside, or body fold.