This is not a hate thread. I've trained both Judo and BJJ and have nothing but respect for both men and their individual accomplishments, which are well documented. It's always bothered me that the Gracies appropriated this fight as BJJ propaganda and claim it as a "moral victory" for Helio. However, the weight difference does not appear even CLOSE to 80 lbs as Rener claims, and Kimura was the Japanese JUDO champ, not the Jiu Jitsu champ as he also claims. The reality is that Helio, the openweight BJJ champ, called out a bigger guy from Judo and then got his ass kicked, badly and everywhere, at his own game, in his own country and under his own special rules. It would be like BJ/GSP 2, except BJ demanding special rules, having the fight in Hawaii and then getting son'ed and having his arm broken, then claiming "moral victory." Why haven't Judo guys showcased this fight as evidence of their superiority? I realize that Judo and JJ used to be the same, but by the time this fight took place, they were distinctively different and Judo was on its way to prioritizing takedowns over groundwork, as per current competition rules. I'd also note that the Judo guys I've trained with have no idea WTF a "kimura" armlock is (unless they follow MMA/BJJ). It's called Ude garami.