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What is the Judo equivalent of a bjj blue belt.

Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by dirtroller, Jul 14, 2010.

  1. dirtroller

    dirtroller Green Belt

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    Basically, I'm curious know what belt/s in judo signifies the same as a bjj blue belt,the belt at which most people can effectively apply learned technique while grappling,generally compete somewhat regularly,and know enough to consistently beat any beginner despite a weight disparity. etc.
     
  2. YellowFury

    YellowFury Blue Belt

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    A BJJ blue belt is a judo white belt if he's never trained judo. /sarcasm

    in all reality, i would say maybe the (usjf) blue or brown belt. I just got my green and i would still have trouble with a great weight disparity. For those who don't know, USJF is white>green>blue>brown (3 degrees of brown)>black
     
  3. J Sho

    J Sho Green Belt

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    I would say in terms of technical ability, practical ability, time spent training, broadly equivalent to the 4th/3rd kyu (in British Judo Association terms), which conveniently is also a blue belt in judo.

    I know it is a popular comparison but i don't really think the depth of knowledge or practical ability that an 'average' BJJ blue belt (whatever that means) has is the same as one typically finds at 1st or 2nd kyu (brown) or 1st dan (black) in Judo.
     
  4. yovan

    yovan Purple Belt

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    BJJ blue belt = Sankyu (3rd degree brown belt - the lowest ranked brown) IMO

    This doesn't mean they're equal on the ground.

    This simply means the BJJ blue has developed his/her BJJ game as much as a Sankyu has developed his/her judo game.
     
  5. dirtroller

    dirtroller Green Belt

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    Yeah, that's what i meant. What belt in judo shows the same kind of progress that a blue belt does in Bjj.
     
  6. MilitantWorker

    MilitantWorker Blue Belt

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    never heard of the three degrees of brown belt in judo...where I'm from it's

    white > green > blue > brown > black (up to 6th dan)...for Adults that is
     
  7. supernova

    supernova Banned Banned

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    I'd say sankyu, if a bjj blue belt means effective use of technique in tournament/practice/real application.
     
  8. juji gatame**

    juji gatame** Brown Belt

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    That would be true. The recently promoted brown belts at my dojo have no problem with someone bigger than them even during tachi waza randori (stand-up rolling?).
     
  9. Jagcorps_esq

    Jagcorps_esq Red Belt

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    They are two separate arts.

    A BJJ blue belt would get thrown to death by a judo play of almost any caliber.

    Train both and then you'll know what belt you are in both.
     
  10. georgejjr

    georgejjr Black Belt

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    There's no standard for kyu (colored or non-black belts if you prefer) belt. In Japan for adults the only colors are white, brown and black, and they don't have sub ranks for brown. In Canada it goes yellow, orange, green, blue, brown. In the US they tend to have three brown belt ranks (meaning a US brown belt will often be equivalent to a Canadian green belt (ie both sankyu).

    But that's okay, there's no standard for black belts either. A shodan might be a guy who's just refereed and been in judo for a long time, or might be a world champion. Judo belt rank tells you almost nothing about the person until you get to the kohaku belts ...6th and above. In fact, generally you're not a judo expert until you get there (same way you're not a high school student until grade 9).

    BJJ is much more standardized in what belts mean. Judo belts can mean almost anything; what's standardized in judo is results. Olympic gold medal for instance means very good, local tournament medalist means recreational competitor. There are no belt divisions in judo; world champion means just that, best in the world in your weight division... same as in wrestling.
     
  11. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    The disparity between BJJ blue belts (even in the same club) is HUGE.

    Pointless trying to compare it to another MA.
     
  12. yovan

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    Yes, but you can say the same for Judo. It is rather pointless but still valid to speculate.
     
  13. lechien

    lechien Gold Belt

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    I don't actually think it is correct to put the terms valid and speculation in the same sentence.
     
  14. judogido

    judogido Aussie!, Aussie!, Aussie! ...

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    You get your BJJ blue in, what, 2-3 years of training? That's be like a blue in judo too - but depends on the individual scenario.

    You can get a judo black in 3-4 years in Japan - but the black belt in japan has a different significance.
     
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    Too much varience in the actual skill level of a given rank. I'm a nikyu, sometimes I tool ikkyus and go 50/50 with shodans in comps, other times I'm getting flying (and tapping) lessons from guys sankyu and up from other schools. Too many different ways to earn rank at the higher kyu/lower Dan grades.
     
  16. Anssi

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    The local judo club here has an open mat session every sunday where judo, bjj and for example hokutoryu jj players can come to grapple.

    I'm a fresh bjj blue myself, 210 pounds and I'm quite even on the ground with green to brown belt judokas. Most of the judo bb's submit me a couple of times during a 5-minute roll.

    That being said, getting the Judo BB in Finland takes around 10 years and requires comp experience. Starting standing I'm usually very quick to pull guard/half guard ;)
     
  17. Smokey McPot

    Smokey McPot Yellow Belt

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    regular joe blue belt is a regular joe brown belt in judo. newaza wise, regular joe blue would have a significant advantage but regular joe brown belt judo would be stronger standing and on ground but would lack in the technical aspect of newaza.

    world champion blue belt in bjj would be a semi-competitor black belt in judo.

    now, a world champion black belt or national team member in judo is a different thing. BJJ blues would not stand a chance at these people standing or on the ground.
     
  18. SuperSuperRambo

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    Are you talking about what judo belt puts you at bjj blue belt level on the ground? Or are you asking if you put the amount of time to get a bjj blue belt into judo instead, what rank would you be?

    To the first one, it varies totally depending on the individual. We had a judo black belt take a class at our dojo recently and our 1-stripe blue belts schooled him on the mat. However our regular judo instructor has been training bjj regularly to supplement his judo for a while now and recently got his blue belt. So when you're dealing with judoka, the level on the ground isn't always reflected by the rank. It depends how the person trains.
     
  19. Carrera26

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    Clubs vary wildly on speed of promotion, and % training between standing and matwork. We have an Ikkyu who trained for 10 years (since a young age, about to get Black) at a dojo where they did 70% matwork. The more competition-oriented clubs might go 90% standing, as most Judo matches are won with a throw and it's relatively easy to stall for the stand-up in competition.

    Also depends on often they Randori and if they are a competition Judo vs. more traditional Judo dojo. I'm a Sankyu and I have been beaten in Randori by a lower belt from the local University club who are almost ALL Randori and compeition. They develop 1-3 "Money" throws and are very very good with them, but in comparison don't really know all that much about actual Judo. Imagine you had a BJJ student who didn't know or really even practice any submission besides the Triangle and standard Armbar. But they have practiced getting those for 8 hours a week for 2 years. They are going to be AWESOME at those subs and can probably get them off on much better, more rounded players. Does it mean that they are a really awesome BJJr? Opinions abound...
     
  20. Respeezy

    Respeezy Purple Belt

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    I'm not even a bjj blue belt , but i play around with different judo brown belts
    and i also dominate several other white belts that have won from judo black belts in tournaments.

    So i'm sorry but apart maybe from takedowns i cant take judo seriously and i would compare a bjj bluebelt to like a xth degree judo blackbelt.

    :icon_chee
     

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