What is the Difference between the D'arce and the Japanese necktie?

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  1. JabCrossKick

    JabCrossKick Orange Belt

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    Is the only difference that the Japanese necktie requires one to hook the legs first whereas the d'arce does not require so?
     
  2. Funkoar

    Funkoar Green Belt

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    I always thought it was the difference between the second arm.

    For the d'arce, you put your arm that's around the neck on your other bicep.

    For the necktie, you gable grip your hands and wrap your other arm across the back of the neck and tuck it close to your body.


    Correct me, I am 90% sure I am wrong.
     
  3. kjg1672

    kjg1672 Brown Belt

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    Yup, this is what I was taught.
     
  4. JabCrossKick

    JabCrossKick Orange Belt

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    I'm a total newbie white belt, but I thought for the D'arce you can either go gable grip or hand to bicep?
     
  5. Jits420

    Jits420 Yellow Belt

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    When you have the "d'arce" position, but using only the gable grip, we call that a Papercutter(also japanese necktie? I only use the peruvian kind :) )

    The D'arce is really when you are hand on bicep, and lifting your elbow to finish the blood choke, turning your body and legs into them if need be. The papercutter, brabo behind the neck, is a bit more of a neck crank and I usually only finish white belts with that. But it can be awesome to flip guys over and control their posture!

    Papercutter -> control posture -> slide hands to bicep/back -> finish D'arce by lifting choking arm elbow
     
  6. Funkoar

    Funkoar Green Belt

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    Just found this, tell me if this helps.
     
  7. QTdd**

    QTdd** Green Belt

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    With the D'arce, you put your hand on your bicep.
    With the ***. necktie, you gable grip and put your elbow on the back of his head.
     
  8. sha

    sha Geekjitsu Black Belt

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    The only time I've ever seen someone use the term "japanese necktie" was Brandon Quick in his video.

    What he showed was a gable-grip Darce that you finish by dropping your own body above their head instead of simply on top of it. I know that probably makes no sense unless you're on the receiving end of it… it's a very different pressure.
     
  9. Dirty Holt

    Dirty Holt Black Belt Professional Fighter

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    The difference is the grip and how you finish. The difference in grip has been stated already, but the finishes are vastly different. D'arce uses arm and chest squeeze, where as a Japanese necktie uses hip force.
     
  10. ElKarlo

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    Nice explanation. I too feel as though it is getting easier and easier to defend against the D'arce choke, as so many people go for it all the time. This is a good way to keep it as a viable move imho.
     
  11. DeathClutch

    DeathClutch Blue Belt

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    Japanese necktie uses the vice grip while the Darce has you sliding down to your bicep.
     
  12. Deoxy

    Deoxy White Belt

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    Nice to see someone posting Zog's vids.
    OP has already given the right answers so I've nothing more to say :cool:
     
  13. van1ty

    van1ty Banned Banned

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    I thought a paper cutter was more like a no-arm d'arce that is palm to palm.
     
  14. Shemhazai

    Shemhazai Black Belt

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    IMO, too many people try to finish the brabo (I'll never say 'D'Arce') from top when the opponent still has an underhook. When the arm is on that side, baseball-sliding is a much better finish. Otherwise, get that arm in front of your body first.
     
  15. KJGould

    KJGould Silver Belt

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    Both based off 3/4 Nelson.

    Sent by tablet
     
  16. Drew Foster

    Drew Foster Silver Belt

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    Powerful post!
     

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