What is it about Karate point fighting that disturbs MMA fighters?

[kflo]

You don't get any of that from steroids.

Lol

 

[r-harper-1]

Great footwork and shit coming from fucked up angles is never a good time

 

[CPH]

You use two examples out of thousands of unsucessful karate fighters in mma. I come from karate background and Machida is the absolute exception to the norm. Thompson has roots in Karate but is more of a kickboxer in fighting and training. Karate as a base doesnt bring that much into mma if you only did point fighting. Machida is a once in a generation talent. He would have succeded with near any base.

THere is a reason why in the big mma teams were its all about winning championships MT and boxing rule with an iron fist regarding stand up. As good as Machida even was the Shogun match up was a fantastic clash of styles and showed the strenght of karate at absolute elite level but also its glaring weaknesses.

I have always liked Machida and WB because the style is beautiful to watch and they are pretty much blade runners in the way they play with fire, relying on staying perfect for 15-25 minutes.

That said, I’m not so keen on the style itself (in the context of MMA, Kickboxing rules): for a guy who has good kicks, the karate man’s legs are candy and there is very little that they can do to patch that hole; as long as they adopt that bladed stance, the low kick is there.

Another point: To be as good as Lyoto and WB are in the realm of karate, these guys have to spend the early portion of their career specializing in this style. Being THAT good allowed them to have the success they had in MMA despite the style’s shortcomings. But if you are an average MMA guy who focuses on the Karate skillset for your standup needs, you are going to have the same disadvantages without having the advantage of elite Karate.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

You don't get any of that from steroids.

Yes you're right Barry bonds increased, speed, power, reaction time and bat speed had nothing to do with steroids


Lol @Starman liking that post. What a coward. Hasn't posted in the war room since he called Trump the winner two hours into the election lmao

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

TS I think you're conflating issues. Let me try to break it down for you.

1) Most everyone likes WB and Machida when they dominate.
2) When they don't and it becomes a stalemate, folks don't much care for it.

The reason folks don't care about it really has nothing to do with karate point fighting itself; most fans simply prefer to be entertained by fights like, say, Gaethje v Poirier, than appreciate the finer points of a standoff between, say, Woodley and Wonderboy.

And wrestlers who try to win MMA bouts by winning rounds and taking as little damage as possible get just as much crap - probably more, in fact - as standup fights do when they do the same thing.

TLDR: it's not about you (or your karate), so don't take it personally.

 

[GrantB13]

MMA pulls from other disciplines and molds them into it's own style but they aren't great at each discipline independently. Nobody fights like a strict boxer for the first minute then switches it up to strict Muay Thai for 30 seconds followed by a strict karate fighter. When you get a guy who masters one style - especially karate that incorporates a lot of distance management and evasion - the "basics" of MMA striking aren't equipped to handle a specialist with ease

 

[GrantB13]

You don't get any of that from steroids.

Not "steroids" but there are PEDs for all sorts of abilities including reflexes and mental clarity/awareness.

 

[Luckyme]

Any unfamiliar style will give fighter problems because you don't train for it in practice. MMA fighters are accustomed to sparring with boxers and Muay Thai/kickboxers. Karate is a difficult style to prepare for.

And it's going to take more than bringing in a couple of karate guys to train with for a few weeks to beat the likes of Wonderboy and Machida who are very high level.

 

[Swepingright]

You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

Someone coming from a strict point fighting background is a fish out of water when it’s not point / reset.

That's exactly why he is annyoing because he steps out.

 

[Grayto]

Among other reasons mentioned, it just not a look a lot of fighters see in sparring. In the same way southpaws have an advantage due to underexposure, the timing, distance, and angles of Karate-based MMA are largely foreign to the opponents they are employed against.

Despite this, Karate has limited success in MMA because it has a lot holes and a small margin of error due to these holes.

 

[KID Yamamoto]

Whittaker, horiguchi , machida and even wonderboy use a lot of point karate blitzing in their fights.
Some video links for those interested

 

[kflo]

That's exactly why he is annyoing because he steps out.

That’s not what I’m referring to…

 

[Taric]

There's been 1 fighter in MMA history that has had success using a pure karate base.

Everyone else you can think of is a mix of karate/kickboxing/taekwondo/whatever

 

[Kenny95]

No one minds high level karate practioners in MMA. Its the ridiculous little kids doing karate with foam shit on their feet and Karen soccer mom's that have people cringing. Also the I'm a black belt in karate tough guys that got a belt just for paying gym dues for 1 year.

 

[Swepingright]

That’s not what I’m referring to…

You claimed that it makes them fish out of water. It is the opposite. It gives them an edge. They don't get hit. Machida absorbed the least amount of strikes of any fighter ever in his prime

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Not "steroids" but there are PEDs for all sorts of abilities including reflexes and mental clarity/awareness.

No, TS is flat out wrong on this. It's the same debunked argument some less intelligent baseball fans used to make when they said "steroids doesn't help you hit a curve ball, der herrrr!"

Yes, it does. Your swing is faster. Your practice swing sessions are longer. You are less tired. And if you do connect, you connect better.

In no uncertain terms, steroids (but let's call them PEDs to avoid semantics) help baseball players hit a curve, and they help combat sport players with speed, agility and reaction time.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

No one minds high level karate practioners in MMA. Its the ridiculous little kids doing karate with foam shit on their feet and Karen soccer mom's that have people cringing. Also the I'm a black belt in karate tough guys that got a belt just for paying gym dues for 1 year.

• respect karate even GSP started with this martial art.
  

Any unfamiliar style will give fighter problems because you don't train for it in practice. MMA fighters are accustomed to sparring with boxers and Muay Thai/kickboxers. Karate is a difficult style to prepare for.

And it's going to take more than bringing in a couple of karate guys to train with for a few weeks to beat the likes of Wonderboy and Machida who are very high level.

Wonderboy is pretty badass when facing strikers, but he has difficulty against pressure grapplers but Muay Thai, Boxer guys have difficult with Grapplers too.

 

[Bruce Lee666]

Among other reasons mentioned, it just not a look a lot of fighters see in sparring. In the same way southpaws have an advantage due to underexposure, the timing, distance, and angles of Karate-based MMA are largely foreign to the opponents they are employed against.

Despite this, Karate has limited success in MMA because it has a lot holes and a small margin of error due to these holes.

every martial art has his holes, karate can be lethal if done well.

 

[The Judo Champ]

Both those fighters have violently knocked people out. They’ve both adapted their karate styles to suit mma very well ahd aren’t the typical weeb karate user. Karate at its peak is a unique fighting style that is hard to train for. So fighters are more passive as a result of the different movements + these peoples reputation for knocking others out

 

[kflo]

You claimed that it makes them fish out of water. It is the opposite. It gives them an edge. They don't get hit. Machida absorbed the least amount of strikes of any fighter ever in his prime

Point karate fighters need to unlearn a lot to become effective mma fighters. It gives machida and wonderboy an edge because they spent a lot of fucking time becoming mma fighters. People who grew up on point fighting don’t have instincts to continue fighting after a point has been “scored”.