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What is it about Karate point fighting that disturbs MMA fighters?

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  1. Swepingright Banned Banned

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    We saw Machida go 15-0 and Burns looking very passive and gun shy against Thompson in the stand up.

    What is it about point Karate, which people used to make fun of (including MMA guys) that disturbs orthodox MMA striking? Shouldn't MMA striking encompass whatever it is those guys are doing?
     
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    Well you're talking about two guys who are great at controlling the distance, in and out constantly, that might be a starting point. Though I'm assuming MMA striking is meant to control the distance as well
     
  3. Bear Faced Liar Yellow Belt

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    They are not disturbed by Karate per se. They are concerned (as they should be) about being on the receiving end of strikes like this:

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    Nobody wants to be brutally KOed. Or be on the receiving end in someone else's highlight reel.
     
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    They're not as accustomed to fighting someone with that style. More specifically, they're not as accustomed to fighting someone who has modified that style to be effective in MMA at a high level.
     
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    Karate stops typical entries that MMA fighters use. They dont spar with guys that do what they do,and then makes them really pensive about attacking aggressivley. How many gyms have a guy who is able to emulate Wonderboy or Machida?
     
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    That's my point! Could it just be a case of inferiority complex facing a (former) specialist?
     
  7. Swepingright Banned Banned

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    Anderson did that too.
     
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  8. Swepingright Banned Banned

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    What did they modify from Karate stand-up to MMA? I don't see anything.
     
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    Yep that's the point. It doesn't matter if you are using karate or boxing or Way of the Tiger ninjitsu. As long as you are putting people away dramatically, your opponents would be wary about just rushing in.

    TS's logic suggested that karate is "disturbing" orthodox strikers and lists examples of Machida and Wonderboy. My counterpoint is it is not karate that is "disturbing", but rather the skill of those fighters he has listed.
     
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    Maybe it's less the style and the fact you named two great fighters, I'm sure there are other karate guys who have been found out by MMA strikers
     
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    You use two examples out of thousands of unsucessful karate fighters in mma. I come from karate background and Machida is the absolute exception to the norm. Thompson has roots in Karate but is more of a kickboxer in fighting and training. Karate as a base doesnt bring that much into mma if you only did point fighting. Machida is a once in a generation talent. He would have succeded with near any base.

    THere is a reason why in the big mma teams were its all about winning championships MT and boxing rule with an iron fist regarding stand up. As good as Machida even was the Shogun match up was a fantastic clash of styles and showed the strenght of karate at absolute elite level but also its glaring weaknesses.
     
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    They have different setups. Off my head I remember Thompson always using a step off cross which is really nice. In essence they embody the hit and not get hit philosophy which suits MMA pretty well. Lack of big gloves makes shelling a less viable strategy (Overeem) and footwork, head movement and parrying a lot more important.
     
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  13. Swepingright Banned Banned

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    Machida is not elite in point Karate.
     
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    He is the epitome of a Karate fighter transfering his skillset to mma and thats what we are talking about. He trained at an elite level from childhood on and is without a doubt the greatest Karateka in MMA of all time. He did train mostly in Shotokan style which is point fighting light contact.

    But Machida also has a strong Sumo base.
     
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    Machida had an annoying style due to hids grappling credentials coupled with that odd style. But he is nowhere near the best point fighter and he still became champion.

    So... Shogun - Machida didn't prove jack shit. Bring in a multiple world champ like Rafael Aghayev, who is a a beast at takedowns in Karate and a stronger technician than Machida
     
  16. D 1 Wrestler Look up to me

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    Machida was juiced
     
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    Steroids is well known to improve Karate.
     
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    Sure it is. Speed, reaction time, power, etc.
     
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    You don't get any of that from steroids.
     
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