27-0. The poll must be broken since it's not registering Jack's vote.
I've PM'd a mod. Its not fair if every vote isn't counted.
I've PM'd a mod. Its not fair if every vote isn't counted.
But Trump is definitely part of the establishment so being out for his own gain is the same thing as being generally pro-establishment, in terms of the policies he supports.
Is he part of the establishment? I could be wrong, but I don't think he's part of Wall Street or the military industrial complex and, from what I can tell of his bankruptcies, he's pretty much fleeced the establishment on a few occasions. I think the one thing he's been honest about when assessing himself is that he doesn't have the tendrils of the system running through him.
But Trump is definitely part of the establishment so being out for his own gain is the same thing as being generally pro-establishment, in terms of the policies he supports.
Your entire basis of argument on this establishment/anti-establishment issue has amounted to begging the question.
In the 21st century a guy like Ron Paul, who wants to legalize segregation, end the Fed, end SS and put currency on the gold standard is, by definition, "anti-establishment".
Revisit my Venn diagram example in the other thread. It is the best way to visualize and understand what constitutes the current establishment.
It should be self-evident that what it meant to be "anti-establishment" in the US in 1960 is different than what it will mean to be "anti-establishment" in 2016. The goal posts are always moving.
When "establishment" is used to describe anything that isn't in line with the democratic party (el oh fuckin el), well then take a wild guess.Of course she's pro establishment/part of the establishment..
Who would think otherwise?
lol who's the troll that voted she is anti-establshment?
[/B]When "establishment" is used to describe anything that isn't in line with the democratic party (el oh fuckin el), well then take a wild guess.
lol who's the troll that voted she is anti-establshment?
Bump: let's try and get at least 100 votes.
Jack, the Mods assure me that they're working on the glitch that keeps your vote from showing.
He's no troll...but I gotta go with Jack Savage.
If you define "anti-establishment" as being against The Establishment, clearly Clinton is anti-establishment.
Bump: let's try and get at least 100 votes.
Jack, the Mods assure me that they're working on the glitch that keeps your vote from showing.