What Happens to Dustin Ortiz Will Tell Us the Fate of the Flyweight Division

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  1. Bubba32

    Bubba32 Purple Belt

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    So far every flyweight that has lost has been cut.

    If Dustin Ortiz gets cut that means Cejudos win has changed nothing and the division is still going away.
     
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    Harry is champ tho, they have to rematch at 135.
     
  3. felmmando

    felmmando Brown Belt

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    I'll be outraged if they cut Ortiz; not many people on that card fought better than he did.
     
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    If anything, he proved that there is no need to give those 5 minions on the roster an own division since he was not only competive, but actually beat the BW champ. I think getting rid of the division makes actually more sense now than ever.
     
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    Because the flyweights have families with kids to feed or something.
     
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    The reason FLW was created is because BW was too crowded. People forget this division exists for a reason, they did have to create it, didn't get a 125 division from the WEC. The guys or the "5 minons" who are good enough to be at 135 like Joe B are exactly why the division exists. 135's top 10 has three guys who beat the champ. Most of the guys who've moved to 135 already are non factors and won't clog up the belt.

    There's no downside to keeping 125 around with a tiny roster. There's so many UFC cards that having 8 championships is needed to spread fights around. Also with MM being a legend sort of disrespectful to the history.

    I think 125 is the best division and that there's not a huge difference between 135 and 125 quality wise but in terms of match making 135 is worse IMO cause of how bloated it is. All the "manlet" haters are still going to get the "manlets" no matter what you're just going to have a shittier 135 division where nobody can ever dominate. Before 125 was around, 135's were made fun of as manlets and their PPV numbers were shitty too, so was Aldo's even, all that'll happen is things go back to how they were.
     
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    Still need to beat Joe B who got a W against him imo tho.
     
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    I would have to disagree. the ufc decided it wanted more belts, more fights and more money. the woman's 145 class,and the mens 125 class are the best examples of this. A lot of the 25'ers are acutally 35'ers who just cut extra weight. Some 125ers regularly weigh more than some 35ers on fight night...

    There was kind of an issue at woman's 125 though so that one made sense. some were too big for 115 and some were too small for 145.

    the have sense learned that its watering down their cards TOO much.
     
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    loisestrad Gold Belt Platinum Member

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    Let's be honest: The only reason 125 was made was to create more champions and title fights. As it turned out, 125 didn't make for a division interresting enough for people to tune in, so it's gonna be scrapped.
     
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    Minnja Touch-Butt white belt Platinum Member

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    There's a good amount of fighters that are natural FLW. Many of the guys 5'3-5'7 are going to be significantly outsized at BW. There will be some tanks like Cejudo, Lineker, Dodson etc. that can deal with the reach disadvantage because they are very muscular and explosive but there are guys who aren't built like that and would basically need FLW in order to not suffer a big size disadvantage.

    Let's not forget that Whittaker and Gastelum were WW and are doing amazing at MW. No one is saying to get rid of WW.
     
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    Because BW was too crowded? Do you know the LW division lol? Makes zero sense to keep this division since BW and FlW are competive. No wonder most Flyweights were guys who couldnt make it in their real division.
     
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    And look at the LW division where the waiting list for title shots is an eternity? Donald Cerrone has the UFC record for wins in just eight years and he got just one title shot. Khabib and Tony didn't lose for years and look how long that took. That's not something you want to repeat. Conor made it worse obv by holding the belt hostage but it's not like if we take Conor out of it that there's no problem there. You shouldn't have to make history and go an insane win streak to get a title shot.

    Joe B and the best 125's can make it at 135 just can't dominate, but they can clog up the line because they are good. Also worth mentioning TJ is probably the least dominant champ in recent UFC history.
     
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    The same can be said of165
    It’s be filled with 155 and 170 rejects
     
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    Sounds like you want more divisions so fighters are closer to title shots all the time. Pretty dumb shit to get even more watered down divisions, cards and rankings and meaningless titles. Yeah lets do it, so we can have guys like Cerrone who regulary get blasted by top guys as champions.
     
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    Who even wants such a division? 5 lbs below WW? Lol wtf
     
  17. TheLegionnary

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    The FW is more alive than the HW, so why not getting rid of the Hardy/Lewis or other fading HW too ?
     
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    I mean we're getting those cards anyway, might as well make them better. UFC should have less people and less card but they don't and won't(contractual obligations beyond PPV), so it's hard to justify firing people who are doing well who could fill those cards. If we're getting the shit cards anyway might as well have title fights and title elims come with it, why not?

    Some divisions are watered down but 155 and 135 are bloated. Neither situation is good, both are problems. Guys getting title shots off of loses is bad too doesn't make having to go on massive winning streaks for a shot not a problem. Not an either or thing.

    I don't think Cerrone would be a deserving champ but the guy got one title shot and he has the most wins in promotion history. Also look at the guy's who've been 155 champs, is Bendo any better? I know Bisping same happened but Bisping fought longer and didn't go on any of them crazy streaks, him not getting shots actually made sense it wasn't cause the division was weak it's cause he kept losing title elims.
     
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    Cause 155 and 170 are bloated(well 170 used to be) and you move the line in both those divisions and get more main events. 170 should move to 175 though if they did that, so it's 125,135,145, 155,165, 175, 185 even ten pound spreads. 155 and 170 are the most common weights anyway so the longer spread between them makes no sense. LHW and HW's should have longer spread because those weights are less common and those divisions are light as it is.
     
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    Huligani Number One Bullshit

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    Agreed. The only interesting fights for Cejudo are at BW. Who is there for him to fight at FLW? Benavidez again?

    FLW is just too weak to exist on its own, and unlike LHW/HW which are similarly weak, FLW will ALWAYS be that weak due to how few humans are small enough to make 125 lbs.
     

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