Madmick said:This reflects the body's ability to adapt, but without a control group, there is little that can be surmised about performance potential.
Madmick said:Bottom line: why deplete yourself of glycogen and enervate yourself for precious training time when thousands of studies haven't yet determined any superiority among low-carb diets for weight loss and health?
Madmick said:But I think it's pretty stupid for an athlete to avoid carbs altogether.
Yes, except you have no control group demonstrating rival performance on a high-carb diet. Perhaps they would have improved beyond this group.Lubaolong said:What this study showed was there was no muscle loss and no endurance loss (some improved). Those were the 2 things most people in this thread were complaining that this diet caused. A control group isn't needed to show this diet doesn't cause that.
Well, if someone would tell me if and how to post PDF's in this forum, I could show you that the current consensus (for research over the past 40 years) is that although there is inconclusive evidence to advise against low-carb diets' safety, there isn't a credible body of evidence to suggest they are more effective than high-carb diets for weight loss or health.There may be some groups of people that want to say it isn't safe, but when there are dozens of high profile university studies backing your product, you can't dismiss it so easily.
Madmick said:Yes, except you have no control group demonstrating rival performance on a high-carb diet. Perhaps they would have improved beyond this group.
At this point, the advantages of ketogenic diets for athletes are either debunked or speculated. The advantages of carbohydrate-enriched diets are not.
Wild Dan Hibiki said:low carb diets are garbage, you're gonna fucken die young with a shitload of diseases if you stay on that crap. and IMO it's almost impossible to have that limited amount of carbs in your diet regardless of how much willpower you have.
Yeah, that's covered in this meta-study I want to post.King Kabuki said:Hey Mick, you do know that all of the studies done about the effectiveness of Low Carb diets for Health are going to be found under diabetic research right? As opposed to Fitness or Sports?
There's some very intriguing things going on with battling diabetes through diet alteration. And some of the studies supporting that are very good.
Madmick said:My argument here is against ketogenic diets since they obviate reasonable pre-workout and PWO nutrition.
Interesting. I hadn't heard that about the Olympic Training Facility.Lubaolong said:What suppliments would you want to eat normally PWO that you wouldn't be allowed to eat on a low carb diet?
Oh and in regards to a discussion we were having earlier, I read today most of the big triathelete and Olympic camps up around Colorado Springs are turning to fat loading versus carbo-loading because the burn is more efficient and predictable. Once they become adapted to eating that way, their endurance is better so they say.
Yeah, but I know guys who drink Gatorade like its water and eat ramen everyday for lunch who have six-packs and all-section patches.Lubaolong said:Once your body gets accumulated, 60-90 grams of carbs is sufficient as long as there is enough fat and protein in your diet. I know many lifters on the Ironlife forums are on low carb diets and they have no problems. Bodybuilders that cut function on 30 carbs a day and do fine too.
Madmick said:You're not able to drink an appropriately sized PWO shake with the right ratio of glucose to whey.
i idea behind protein suppliments is that they suppliment your protein. IE, you're drinking your meat, not your whole well balanced meal.Lubaolong said:I drink Optimum 100% Whey Protein. It was rated supplement of the year and protein powder of the year by bodybuilding.com It has 3g carbs. Is that not good a good powder?