Social What happened to the flu?

[Russky]

“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. … Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Masks do not protect people who wear them. They are helping to reduce virus spreading to others.

 

[lilelvis]

Masks do not protect people who wear them. They are helping to reduce virus spreading to others.

Not according to the science.

Of all the posts to respond to with that.. Read the studies that you responded too..

 

[The Big Bang]

You have to be a clown to actually believe these "measures" are sufficient enough to reduce the spread of the virus.

If the virus was as infectious as the experts claim, these half assed "measures" wouldn't do jack to the overall numbers.

Look at what's happening in INDIA.

Or is that "fake news."? LOL

 

[The Big Bang]

Masks do not protect people who wear them. They are helping to reduce virus spreading to others.

Masks DO help the wearer if people around you are also masked.

That is fact, but of course, the level of the mask is also a HUGE consideration.

 

[Whippy McGee]

Sorry you don't like the actual, control studied, science. Go ahead and keep squawking out the narrative that actual science doesn't support. The best you'll find to support it are some "observational" studies with no control and some computer models.
There are at least a hundred studies compiled in my post, huge sample sizes and peer revues. We've been studying mask efficacy for a long time, and suddenly, all that goes out the window for a "consensus" narrative.

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Also... we just now learned (Scientific Study) that we are dying at the same rates as pre-CV-19, it's just that more deaths are being attributed to CV-19.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/covid-lockdowns-cost-jobs-dont-appear-to-have-saved-lives/

We’ve locked down the economy instead of the virus.

Jobs are recovering slower in New York and other states holding on to stringent COVID-19 restrictions than in states that fully reopened their economies, even though continued lockdown measures don’t appear to be saving lives, an ongoing study by WalletHub shows.

Measures like limiting travel, keeping restaurants operating below capacity and leaving non-essential businesses closed have kept unemployment in New York State among the highest in the nation, while states with fewer restrictions are seeing jobs bounce back faster from the pandemic-induced recession, the study shows.

Tragically, the data also suggests lockdowns didn’t do much to help save lives throughout the pandemic, while it’s clear that they sent millions to the unemployment line.

Read More....

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We've been saying this for a while when looking at the number of deaths in the U.S.A. pre and post CV-19. The numbers are virtually the same. The only difference is that more deaths are categorized as CV-19 deaths. So, who cares what you die of... if you still die at the same rate, what's the deal with all the draconian job, dream, and economy destroying measures?

 

[Sano]

Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial,” American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002

N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review,” Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic- review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.

bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence,” Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

“There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”

Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis,” CMAJ Mar 2016 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

“We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.”

Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis,” Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:

Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial,” JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. … Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381

“A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Conclusion Regarding That Masks Do Not Work
No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.

Likewise, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public (more on this below).

Furthermore, if there were any benefit to wearing a mask, because of the blocking power against droplets and aerosol particles, then there should be more benefit from wearing a respirator (N95) compared to a surgical mask, yet several large meta-analyses, and all the RCT, prove that there is no such relative benefit.


https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...in-preventing-covid-transmission-study-666762

You keep posting these links but you don't go through them and they aren't saying what you think they are. Why do this and then not bother comprehending them? Remember when we tried last time?

 

[PhitePhan]

You keep posting these links but you don't go through them and they aren't saying what you think they are. Why do this and then not bother comprehending them? Remember when we tried last time?

So far, what I've seen via the research is support for N95 or respirator masks reducing viral spread in a controlled setting (e.g. hospital). Can you point me in the direction of anything more generalizable to the broader population?

 

[Sano]

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Also... we just now learned (Scientific Study) that we are dying at the same rates as pre-CV-19, it's just that more deaths are being attributed to CV-19.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/01/covid-lockdowns-cost-jobs-dont-appear-to-have-saved-lives/

We’ve locked down the economy instead of the virus.

Jobs are recovering slower in New York and other states holding on to stringent COVID-19 restrictions than in states that fully reopened their economies, even though continued lockdown measures don’t appear to be saving lives, an ongoing study by WalletHub shows.

Measures like limiting travel, keeping restaurants operating below capacity and leaving non-essential businesses closed have kept unemployment in New York State among the highest in the nation, while states with fewer restrictions are seeing jobs bounce back faster from the pandemic-induced recession, the study shows.

Tragically, the data also suggests lockdowns didn’t do much to help save lives throughout the pandemic, while it’s clear that they sent millions to the unemployment line.

Read More....

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We've been saying this for a while when looking at the number of deaths in the U.S.A. pre and post CV-19. The numbers are virtually the same. The only difference is that more deaths are categorized as CV-19 deaths. So, who cares what you die of... if you still die at the same rate, what's the deal with all the draconian job, dream, and economy destroying measures?

This makes no sense. In the same article they have an epidemiologist explain why this doesn't work, which makes it even more weird that they led with that headline. Something that should be clear immediately. Don't see a study anywhere either.

Someone compared places with tight restrictions, like New York, to places with less restrictions, like Utah. They then compared restrictions with deaths. Think for a second why this doesn't tell us anything. A place like New York saw a crazy amount of deaths initially which was the cause for the tight restrictions. Subsequently, they saw their deaths drop and stay low, while other place rose. In this instance, you can't say that restrictions didn't work because many people died, because the restrictions were put in place because the high rate of spread and mortality. It's the correlation-causation fallacy. They also didn't account for variables like population density and infrastructure, which is one of the most important factors that will absolutely lead to more spread if not mitigated harder.

What they would need to do is take the same places and compare with before and after restrictions, and then try to account for the important variables. That's been done pretty substantially by this point in actual studies.

 

[MaxMMA]

Look at what's happening in INDIA.

Or is that "fake news."? LOL

Yeah, India's rate has everything to do with their lax control measures and nothing to do with them being one of the most populated, polluted, filthy, malnourished, diseased countries on earth. They literally shit and piss in the streets.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with that at all.

 

[The Big Bang]

Yeah, India's rate has everything to do with their lax control measures and nothing to do with them being one of the most populated, polluted, filthy, diseased countries on earth. They literally shit and piss in the streets.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with that at all.

Come. On.

Don't be THAT guy.

India is having a hard time due to Covid. If you think that's false, then...I pity you.

 

[Heisenboom]

Come. On.

Don't be THAT guy.

India is having a hard time due to Covid. If you think that's false, then...I pity you.

I will translate, he is calling it a disgusting shit hole with no health measures by default.

 

[lilelvis]

You keep posting these links but you don't go through them and they aren't saying what you think they are. Why do this and then not bother comprehending them? Remember when we tried last time?

You say that, but have offered nothing in rebut. What do they say? There are about a hundred studies there, most of the posts are summary studies, but the base studies are there.

Go ahead and show a controlled study that show's mask work to negate viral spread. Please.

 

[machidafan99]

1.38 billion people there.

 

[deadshot138]

Post of the year. I'm sick of everyone pretending we've been in quarantine for 2 years. Literally all that has happened is small businesses were closed down and most (not all) people wear a flimsy piece of paper over their fat mouths. Most of the the people that wear them don't even wear them correctly.

Let's stop pretending that these nearly non-existent measures are actually doing anything.

The countermeasures are a formality. You'll walk into a business and it'll say face masks required on the door but that's just to keep the health department at bay. Everyone inside will be maskless. People are even getting brazen and not wearing masks to the grocery store again without fear of being chastized.

 

[MMAViewer]

I came here to see how Many people stayed at a holiday Inn express last night.
They must be doing well!<Lmaoo><45>

 

[bobStash]

Coronavirus is an enveloped positive linear virus while flu virus is part of the orthoxyvirus which is enveloped, negative, and segmented. They are different families. Flu virus is also worse due to re assortment of the Hemaglutin and Neuraminidase on the Envelope causing antigenic shift.

Yeah. What he said. That explains it.

 

[squeezewax]

In many countries cases of the 'flu are reported as cases of Covid. Same with deaths. Many doctors around the world have been asking, 'What happended to the 'flu season in 2020?'
It's common knowledge.

People in China generally wear masks because of the massive air pollution problem they have.
It's been proven that masks do not stop or slow down 'flu like viruses.