Social What happened to the flu?

[Hollywood Jack]

Kinda. A lot of people wear a mask all winter. But yes about half start to wear a mask when they start to present symptoms.

Duly noted.

 

[Day Drinking]

Weird how the flu and pretty much all deaths disappeared and covid went up.
If you get shot in the head in a gang fight, covid.

Right? Who would have thought that people standing further apart and not sneezing or coughing on each other has prevented the flu.

So weird. Probably no explanation. Maybe the Flu is a hoax by globalists?

 

[Grassshoppa]

More money to be made forcing the people to get an experimental COVID vaccine every month. Much, much more money to be made.

 

[deadshot138]

It's almost like masking, social distancing and lockdowns prohibit the spread of viruses.

Also indicates how significantly more transmissible and lethal COVID is relative to seasonal flu.

It's almost like no one does that and there still isn't any flu

 

[Crawler89]

you gotta be some kinda fucking stupid to not see the link between covid protocols and stopping the spread of the flu and other virus's

but hey its a deep state conspiracy to take away your freedoms

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Right? Who would have thought that people standing further apart and not sneezing or coughing on each other has prevented the flu.

So weird. Probably no explanation. Maybe the Flu is a hoax by globalists?

Maybe. Or maybe covid is blown out of proportion by those who crave power.

 

[MicroBrew]

[/Thread]

They had the right idea to begin with. But now this shit's all political instead of just being a good idea. In many ways, I wish we were more like the Japanese. They're not nearly as divided as we are.

Far too many people here are god dam selfish, they don't think of others, it's all about muh freedoms and pigheadedness.

 

[Sir Punchalot]

Just be sure to get your jab every six months sir wankalot

Heh, yeah, that's about as smart a retort as one would expect. I feel genuinely sorry for you, life sure must be fucking hard when you're that stupid.

 

[ElKarlo]

Far too many people here are god dam selfish, they don't think of others, it's all about muh freedoms and pigheadedness.

Most or many western people are pretty selfish and impatient. It seems to only be accelerating now

 

[nihilistxn85]

Flu Has Disappeared Worldwide during the COVID Pandemic
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic/

 

[Topguntrophey]

I thought most adults knew why surgical masks are worn during surgical operations. It's to stop saliva entering open wounds.

Looks like your most adults are just a few.

"
We recently spoke to several Yale Medicine doctors about the medical reasons why they wear masks. They are protective on several levels, explains Manisha Juthani, MD, an infectious disease specialist. “It is really important for me to wear a mask when I'm taking care of patients who have a respiratory virus that I could be at risk of getting and then potentially giving to somebody else.” In fact, the only way she can treat patients with different infectious diseases is by wearing a medical-grade mask so she does not spread any disease or get sick herself.

David Mulligan, MD, chief of transplant surgery and immunology, knows the importance of masks even beyond the operating room. “When we make rounds, for example, on significantly immuno-compromised patients, we will have a mask on to try to help protect those patients from the spread of disease and to try to protect other patients from bringing potential pathogens like bacteria and viruses from one room to the next,” he says."

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/why-doctors-wear-masks

 

[MoparOrNoCar]

you gotta be some kinda fucking stupid to not see the link between covid protocols and stopping the spread of the flu and other virus's

but hey its a deep state conspiracy to take away your freedoms

No one is stupid enough to think there's zero link between the covid protocols and the flu.

What's alarming is going from 206k down to 2k cases because of it. That's an extreme drop and it's hard to imagine that covid protocols account for all of it.

 

[MaxMMA]

It's almost like no one does that and there still isn't any flu

Post of the year. I'm sick of everyone pretending we've been in quarantine for 2 years. Literally all that has happened is small businesses were closed down and most (not all) people wear a flimsy piece of paper over their fat mouths. Most of the the people that wear them don't even wear them correctly.

Let's stop pretending that these nearly non-existent measures are actually doing anything.

 

[The Big Bang]

you gotta be some kinda fucking stupid to not see the link between covid protocols and stopping the spread of the flu and other virus's

but hey its a deep state conspiracy to take away your freedoms

Yeah.

Sadly, the dimmest bulbs are the ones who don't understand that masks help.

 

[lilelvis]

Yeah.

Sadly, the dimmest bulbs are the ones who don't understand that masks help.

Show a RCT Study that confirms that, Please...

 

[The Big Bang]

Show a RCT Study that confirms that, Please...

Do your own damn homework.

Masks LITERALLY....................."mask" ones face...

Obviously, there are MANY levels of efficacy, but masks can help. (I use Kimberly Clarke N95 masks and they fit me perfectly)

 

[lilelvis]

Do your own damn homework.

Masks LITERALLY....................."mask" ones face...

Obviously, there are MANY levels of efficacy, but masks can help. (I use Kimberly Clarke N95 masks and they fit me perfectly)

Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial,” American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002

N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review,” Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic- review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.

bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence,” Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

“There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”

Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis,” CMAJ Mar 2016 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

“We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.”

Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis,” Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:

Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial,” JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. … Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381

“A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Conclusion Regarding That Masks Do Not Work
No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.

Likewise, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public (more on this below).

Furthermore, if there were any benefit to wearing a mask, because of the blocking power against droplets and aerosol particles, then there should be more benefit from wearing a respirator (N95) compared to a surgical mask, yet several large meta-analyses, and all the RCT, prove that there is no such relative benefit.


https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...in-preventing-covid-transmission-study-666762

 

[The Big Bang]

Jacobs, J. L. et al. (2009) “Use of surgical face masks to reduce the incidence of the common cold among health care workers in Japan: A randomized controlled trial,” American Journal of Infection Control, Volume 37, Issue 5, 417 – 419. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19216002

N95-masked health-care workers (HCW) were significantly more likely to experience headaches. Face mask use in HCW was not demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.

Cowling, B. et al. (2010) “Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: A systematic review,” Epidemiology and Infection, 138(4), 449-456. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic- review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05

None of the studies reviewed showed a benefit from wearing a mask, in either HCW or community members in households (H). See summary Tables 1 and 2 therein.

bin-Reza et al. (2012) “The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence,” Influenza and Other Respiratory Viruses 6(4), 257–267. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x

“There were 17 eligible studies. … None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”

Smith, J.D. et al. (2016) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks in protecting health care workers from acute respiratory infection: a systematic review and meta-analysis,” CMAJ Mar 2016 https://www.cmaj.ca/content/188/8/567

“We identified six clinical studies … . In the meta-analysis of the clinical studies, we found no significant difference between N95 respirators and surgical masks in associated risk of (a) laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, (b) influenza-like illness, or (c) reported work-place absenteeism.”

Offeddu, V. et al. (2017) “Effectiveness of Masks and Respirators Against Respiratory Infections in Healthcare Workers: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis,” Clinical Infectious Diseases, Volume 65, Issue 11, 1 December 2017, Pages 1934–1942, https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/65/11/1934/4068747

Self-reported assessment of clinical outcomes was prone to bias. Evidence of a protective effect of masks or respirators against verified respiratory infection (VRI) was not statistically significant”; as per Fig. 2c therein:

Radonovich, L.J. et al. (2019) “N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel: A Randomized Clinical Trial,” JAMA. 2019; 322(9): 824–833. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

“Among 2862 randomized participants, 2371 completed the study and accounted for 5180 HCW-seasons. … Among outpatient health care personnel, N95 respirators vs medical masks as worn by participants in this trial resulted in no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Long, Y. et al. (2020) “Effectiveness of N95 respirators versus surgical masks against influenza: A systematic review and meta-analysis,” J Evid Based Med. 2020; 1- 9. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jebm.12381

“A total of six RCTs involving 9,171 participants were included. There were no statistically significant differences in preventing laboratory-confirmed influenza, laboratory-confirmed respiratory viral infections, laboratory-confirmed respiratory infection, and influenza-like illness using N95 respirators and surgical masks. Meta-analysis indicated a protective effect of N95 respirators against laboratory-confirmed bacterial colonization (RR = 0.58, 95% CI 0.43-0.78). The use of N95 respirators compared with surgical masks is not associated with a lower risk of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”

Conclusion Regarding That Masks Do Not Work
No RCT study with verified outcome shows a benefit for HCW or community members in households to wearing a mask or respirator. There is no such study. There are no exceptions.

Likewise, no study exists that shows a benefit from a broad policy to wear masks in public (more on this below).

Furthermore, if there were any benefit to wearing a mask, because of the blocking power against droplets and aerosol particles, then there should be more benefit from wearing a respirator (N95) compared to a surgical mask, yet several large meta-analyses, and all the RCT, prove that there is no such relative benefit.


https://www.jpost.com/health-scienc...in-preventing-covid-transmission-study-666762

 

[lilelvis]

Sorry you don't like the actual, control studied, science. Go ahead and keep squawking out the narrative that actual science doesn't support. The best you'll find to support it are some "observational" studies with no control and some computer models.
There are at least a hundred studies compiled in my post, huge sample sizes and peer revues. We've been studying mask efficacy for a long time, and suddenly, all that goes out the window for a "consensus" narrative.

 

[MaxMMA]

Post of the year. I'm sick of everyone pretending we've been in quarantine for 2 years. Literally all that has happened is small businesses were closed down and most (not all) people wear a flimsy piece of paper over their fat mouths. Most of the the people that wear them don't even wear them correctly.

Let's stop pretending that these nearly non-existent measures are actually doing anything.

Yeah.

Sadly, the dimmest bulbs are the ones who don't understand that masks help.

You have to be a clown to actually believe these "measures" are sufficient enough to reduce the spread of the virus.

If the virus was as infectious as the experts claim, these half assed "measures" wouldn't do jack to the overall numbers.