What happened to the fabled “train MMA since the beginning” new generation?

GSP was a mediocre karate guy when he started doing MMA. DJ was a mediocre wrestler.

They branched out and became full fledged mixed martial artists
So it’s even better to be “mediocre” at something before branching out than straight up MMA training?

I agree with you on that.
 
So it’s even better to be “mediocre” at something before branching out than straight up MMA training?

I agree with you on that.
Yeah i guess it's good to start out somewhere else before doing MMA.
 
Mighty Mouse wasn't a great wrestler coming in, and his BJJ wasn't sharp either, but with time he became so well-rounded that he could beat a guy several ways. I believe this is the goal. But it takes a master like Hume and a talent like MM to achieve. Otherwise no area to fall back on means lack of consistency. What to do when things go south. A strong base works better. Pretty much all the champs have this.

It also says a lot that GSP chose to work the hardest on his wrestling. How to better control where the fight takes place. This is often the weak point of those "well-rounded" guys. When Edmen and Rory get beat up on the feet the takedowns aren't always there. So they just keep getting beat up standing.
 
Jam tomorrow?

I would argue that most MMA training isn't really setup for "MMA since day one" fighters, its setup to round out the skill base of fighters coming in from another sport/MA.
You may be right but still, MMA gyms have been around as their own MA for quite a while now and kids have been and will continue to go into them as their first MAs experience and coaches will continue to cater programs accommodating this and it will get better and better.

Oh, and yeah dude, I'm down to jam, should be off work around 5, haha.
 
No judo has subs. All the basic and most of the advance subs BJJ has.

Under the wrestling family tree only catch wrestling aka submission wrestling uses subs.
No. Judo always had subs. Most were removed for Olympic competition in the 1950s.
BJJ took judo and it’s subs and refined and developed the ground game.

EDIT: Sorry misread your post, thought you were saying Judo had no subs.
 
They are approaching it the wrong way. They are pretty much a jack of all trades master of none type of fighter. You need to train all arts but what you mostly have to master is how to transition them into your mma game and throughout the fight. These “mma” trainee guys still can’t transition striking to grappling very well. Someone like Edmen was pretty much a striker who learned mma as a kid but still didn’t grapple much. He might as well just mastered boxing or kickboxing with that approach. He was a good striker but not a great one.
 
I think Judo is. you've gotten a variety of throws and takedowns like wrestling with stronger ground work.

It would be if MMA was jacket based. Wrestling is better for no-gi. Anyone who's done both wrestling and judo at reasonably high levels will tell you translating between jacket based and no-jacket based takedowns takes a lot of practice -- that's why almost no one is international level in both judo and wrestling anywhere in the world, despite both being primarily takedown based grappling sports.
 
For training BJJ? It’s coming down slowly. It was definitely worse 10-15 years ago than it is today.

As ore gyms open it, prices will continue to come down. My neighborhood in NYC had 1 bjj gym 15 years ago. Now there’s at least 6 or 7. Haven’t lived there in 4 years, maybe even more gyms now.
 
So many factors come in, still think the notion of it makes sense but it's still very very early days.. BJJ alone hasn't even existed for a century yet, imagine were fighting will be in like 30-50 years, pretty incomprehensible.
 
I love the myth that sherdoggers propagate that Wrestling is the best base for MMA.

If Wrestling is the best base, how come someone with no Wrestling can win a MMA fight, but someone with no BJJ can't?
BJJ defense is still BJJ, and thus it is the most important martial art and base for MMA.
 
It was always a myth. Joe Rogan pushed that narrative as much as he could, but he backtracked on it lately.

Like you mentioned, specialist who branch out and learn different aspects seem to reach higher and farther in MMA. People were believing PVZ and Sage were the new breed of young fighters. Specialist will always have that one aspect they are good at that their opponents can’t match.

Look at all the champions for proof.

Sage is a specialist though. He's a karate guy that transitioned to MMA at a young age. Doesn't fit the bill.
 
People thought everyone would turn out like GSP in the future

I can understand why people thought that at the time. I was skeptical.It didnt happen,but you shoulda spoke up back then.

I can make a thread too going " WHere are all you houston alexander is for real CHUMPS?!!?" but it doesnt really mean shit after the fact. Ya need quotes,SWORN AFFIDAVITS,to brag. Otherwise you come at htis subject w respect and take the bass out ya mouth
 
I love the myth that sherdoggers propagate that Wrestling is the best base for MMA.

If Wrestling is the best base, how come someone with no Wrestling can win a MMA fight, but someone with no BJJ can't?
BJJ defense is still BJJ, and thus it is the most important martial art and base for MMA.
Wrestling is da god. Just take BJJ dudes and ring em out like wet towels
 
I love the myth that sherdoggers propagate that Wrestling is the best base for MMA.

If Wrestling is the best base, how come someone with no Wrestling can win a MMA fight, but someone with no BJJ can't?
BJJ defense is still BJJ, and thus it is the most important martial art and base for MMA.
Because that isn’t what they mean when they say that. They aren’t talking about only knowing one art. They’re talking about the best place to start training an mma career
 
Are you sure about Holloway? Wasn’t he a striker when he started out? And his striking is way better than his grappling, not that he has bad grappling but someone like Rory has comparable skill in both and uses both. Max doesn’t use his grappling offensively much
You can start training mma and become a «Striker»... mma striking is different from all other striking diciplins. Max has high level defensive grapling which comes from the fact that hes been focusing on mma hes whole career.
 
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