what happened to italian boxers and trainers

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  1. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    seems today that in usa that its only black and hispanics in the world of boxing italians use to be into it heavily but also theirs no real boxing trainers/gyms anymore i googled boxing gyms just in nyc cant find any old school gyms ran by italians old school guys why is this or am i wrong
     
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    Of course, only top celebreties and No1 No2 ( maybe ) are necessity for sherdoggers.

    Not that terrible, for example I had watched 6 rounder not in high level, this bout was done with more than 3 months notice, boxers rank was between 450 - 600 and me liked.
    Normally did homework, decent guard maintaining level and cardio. Not at all bad for this guys level and age/ experience.
    Yup, Continental europe….
     
  3. Cole train Gold Belt

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    You mean americans?

    Because they are ok in europe
     
  4. Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    There are some theories on this, but it's quite controversial.
     
  5. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    lol its fine say it thats the issue today if someone feels offended people are afraid to say something

    it isnt that they dont like the sport cause u still hear them talk about boxing so im guessing that you think it might be that lots of them were losing to other races of people and made them quit that is possible
     
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    The same reason you don't see tons of jews in boxing now. If economic opportunities are good for you, you're less likely to go into boxing.

    Thailand has the most fighters of any country, and it's no secret that regions like Isaan pump out most of the great fighters.
     
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    its still a thing (for self defense) in italy, but soccer is probably the biggest reason.
     
  8. tekkenfan Banned Banned

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    jews in boxing? tbh most jews arnt known for their athletic ability besides bill goldberg lol idk any other real jews in top level sports?
     
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    i mean italian americans tbh from ny philly jersey ect rocky like guys
     
  10. Minowafanatic Red Belt

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    There were a huge number of Jewish boxers in the first half of the 20th century, and a lot of great Jewish world champions too, such as two of the best ever in Benny Leonard and Barney Ross, and Max Baer was part Jewish which was a big thing for his fight with Max Schmeling. Even Ring Magazine was founded by a Jewish writer, and Everlast founded by a Jewish family.
     
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    My great uncle was known as ‘The Jew Killer’ due to all the Jews he fought and beat.... until he ran into Barney Ross.
    After the war he retroactively became ‘The babyfaced assassin”. or something harmless like that.
     
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    lmao at the jew killer XD
     
  13. Woldog A man of peace Professional Fighter

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    The discovered Pizza was a far more lucrative business.

    Though if you take one look at that Jersey Shore show you'll find your answer most likely.
     
  14. Ultra O’Dia Banned Banned

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    ya, it became kinda taboo.
     
  15. Sinister Doctor of Doom Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The cultural shift that allowed Italians the economic opportunities in a Country that was previously biased against them is at the heart of this issue. It's no coincidence Italian-American influence seemed to particularly take a dive right around the 50's and 60's.
     
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    So poor, hungry people make the best fighters...not sure anyone (with reasonable intelligence) could have an issue with that line of thinking.
     
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    This guy would of done awesome in boxing.

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  19. SandisLL Black Belt

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    No.

    It is different.
    Rough neighbourhood in teenage/ youngster age make people more….let's say, tough and realistic. This more impact character and life experience, regardless are you a businessman or fighter.
    Hungry for respect...yes...
    Hungry because not enough food on the table….no, of course.
     
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    No, but they have issue with suggesting that white America suddenly became much more inclusive of Jewish and Italians when presented with the idea of civil uprising of blacks. It's not necessarily JUST about economic disparity, but also what boxing means in the U.S. its synonymous with struggle, which if anything will kill it, it will be that.

    I'm doing my part to change it. It needs to be treated like a sport that people are just allowed to like if they choose so.
     

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