he does lack fundamentals, his fans are too biased to see it as honest criticism. Ali lacked as much or more "fundamentals" and his fans don't go nuts when it's pointed out. I'd been saying it forever, pre-and post mayweather, manny has never shown ability to deal with a slick boxer, never, in fact, I was asking if anyone knew of one he'd faced before mayweather, knowing Mayweather would use a style which has bedevilled many a force of nature before against Manny. I blamed a lot of it on Roach, he had 15 years to work with the guy and he doesn't teach him anything more than how to improve his , left or right, hand (i forget which) and letting manny prime into a fighter who had amazing gifts, either through epo or hard work and genes, and letting him be a one dimensional, predictable fighter. What he could do was still more than enough for, arguably, anyone around at his peak but he could have added more tools to his repertoire. I don't know if he ever maximized his punching power either, his body mechanics were off and Roach never corrected, or changed it. The difference between a guy like him and ali is night and day because, one could adapt to any style, the other made a career of fighting, mostly, brawlers and guys who stand in front of you. It's the managers job, the trainers job, and as i've said before, we can't expect the philipinnes to necessarily have the best coaches for a poor kid coming in to learn. One other thing, many great fighters teach themselves, manny did not have the ability to reflect on himself and do that.