Alzi_ said:
What a crock of bullshit! Throwing is more difficult than grappling? Is that why judokas get their BBs in 2 years instead of 10+ years like in jiu-jitsu?
The Gracies did not learn judo from Maeda. Maeda's judo was newaza-oriented which is quite different from the judo that Jigaro Kano implemented. This is one of the reasons why he insisted on calling his art jiu-jitsu and not judo.
Yes, get a good Stand up without being physically strong it's more difficult to get a good ground work.
To learn the basics of a technique like Uchimata need at least 6 month in training only in that throw. (With basics I mean learn to use it quite well in all the direction and both right and left).
In the same time u can learn a LOT of ground work, sweep , guard passing, choke and so on.
In Judo there is the concept of "Tokui-waza" that means ur favourite technique. Each judoka had 1 or 2 Tokui waza and some way to use them along with other throw (Renraku waza).
Even a World class athletes knew perfectly only some throw. The other's he know how to use it but he don't master them.
To Master all the Technique of the Gokyo u need an entire life
I 've seen some good Judoka, 4th and 5th dan, former National Champ that are still learning some Technique.
In Judo BB means "U can start to train judo" . Shodan means "first level" and it's the "start" and not the "goal".
In Jiu jitsu BB means "U are a master"
In italy to get a Judo BB training 3x week takes about 4-5 years (for the average joe)
Maeda Judo was just like Tomita's one (tomita was maeda master and a Kano student). At the time judo hadn't all the sport rules and it was still called "Kano Ryu Jujitsu" or "Kodokan jujitsu" from most of the people (even for some of the Kodokan student).
But the technique and training method that maeda used and teached to the Gracies was the one he learn at Kodokan.
P.s.
a good link with Kano Himself writing about difference between jujitsu and Judo.