What do you think is missing in the world of strength training?

[wasptrash]

I need a device that makes me have an orgasm when I hit a PR.

 

[hughes]

WTF, Hitler?

Guys were stronger back in the day? Are you on crack? Weightlifters a century ago would have been broken under the weight guys are pushing out now.

Either this post is sarcastic, and brilliant, or you are ridiculously retarded.

I interpreted duncons post differently.

I think he meant that while the WR for the big lifts are obviously much bigger these days, there are much less 'regular' guys with a decent base of strength. In other words, specialists aside, folks were stronger back in the day.

Which I agree with. It's all to do with the increase of people working in an office environment as opposed to lifting shit all day, I'd imagine.

 

[Urban]

i think what we are missing is the purpose.. at least in my opinion for people who train to fight.

it would be nice if they came up with studies that can directly point out what lifts will help a guy strike harder etc.

Yes the deadlift is the last true test of strength, no real suits or junk compared to bench and squats. But will it help directly in assisting you throw a stronger cross?

these are the the things that need to be filled out... a lot of time theres educated guesses but a comprehensive study or studies need to be done to best help the fighters of the world.

That's actually a pretty interesting Idea, but by no means a simple one. as we all know there are a LOT of factors involved in striking power and many of them are personal (meaning they vary from individual to individual). I'd be interested in a study like that, but it's no small undertaking. I'm not sure that something like that is possible. However, you can draw from research done on simpler movements. Ross Enamait (two refferences to this guy in one day, really, I'm not a nutthugger he just seems to be on the cutting edge of boxing training) utilizes methods like complex training and plyometrics in combination with heavy lifting. While I don't agree with everything he says he takes proven methods for simpler actions and applies them to striking in ways that are really impressive.

 

[Ted-P]

All I know is Evan Holyfield has deadlifting in his program so it cant hurt.

And his trainer also pointed out that leg strength and base was important to punching power.

I dont have the article with me nor do I know exactly why and how leg power transfers into punching power.

Simply regurgiating what I read a long time ago.

 

[Urban]

Because that's where your power is generated. You speak like somebody who's never had any coaching in his striking. I advise you to take some boxing lessons (no disrespect here) but you will be amazed at how much you learn.

Furthermore, your punches are often limited by your weakest link and more often than not, that's the lower back (because nobody does "dangerous" exercises like deadlifts). what I've found is that the more I deadlift the harder I seem to punch.

 

[Ted-P]

Because that's where your power is generated. You speak like somebody who's never had any coaching in his striking. I advise you to take some boxing lessons (no disrespect here) but you will be amazed at how much you learn.

Furthermore, your punches are often limited by your weakest link and more often than not, that's the lower back (because nobody does "dangerous" exercises like deadlifts). what I've found is that the more I deadlift the harder I seem to punch.

Yea I kickboxed quite while ago, but due to having several other sports and the gym/coach/trainer being a joke, I quit.

He didn't seem like you knew anything.

Second, and can you explain a little more in detail how the leg power transfers to punching power.

I get how the core(ab/back) contributes, but I just dont get where the leg comes in. Doesnt the leg for the most of the time stay in a static position when you punch?

 

[Cmart]

Yes the deadlift is the last true test of strength, no real suits or junk compared to bench and squats. But will it help directly in assisting you throw a stronger cross?

No, but I could suplex a guy Carnal's size if need be. You've got to come up with the right application for the strength.

Bench presses don't help your vertical jump. This is not a valid argument against the bench press.

 

[PariahCarey]

There are a million things wrong with the whole fitness industry. Bodybuilding for one ruined good quality strength training. To much vanity in that aspect. To many magazines glorying fancy stuff with no purpose, such as to look good, such as diets, lets not even go into diets. Training should have a purpose and always have one.

Back in the old days, when someone needed to protect themselves and their family, they had to be strong no matter what, it would cost them thier lives. No a days, take an athelte, they workout for their sport, then when its over, they quit working out and let themsevles go, theri training did not have an "inner" meaning to them.

People today are no where near as strong as the old timers back in the day. Those guys back then can dead, over 400pds, press over 200pds over their heads,even with 1 arm. They could do handstand pushups and run 5 miles all in one day. Some even boxed and wrestled for hours, not to mention go to work.

Having all this nice stuff to make our life more comfortable and easy sure comes with a price.??? Thats another story or maybe??

People are to brainwashed into every aspect of it. Det, training. You cannot tell them about what is ther right or wrong way, since they will not listen, but will listen to every tom, dick and harry out there or what is right? Its funny, since they ask me or you ( trainers, people with enough intelligence and expereince ) what is the right way???

Training is simple, yet is not so simple. Simple as one person wants it to be. Train the body how its suppose to function, then the rest is history. Lets burn all these machines. Granted this can go a lot of ways, since you will run into people who will not use nothing else but machines, etc, one can debate about these people.

Whats missing? Truth
Stop having so many lies out there just to make money, shoot, that can be a lot of different aspects in a lot of people's lives.

I would love a gym with only Clubs, Kettlebells, Sandbags, Rings, Thick bars, Power Racks, Dip bars, good quality mats,etc, but not to many of them around.

Since most will not use them, brings up the question I always say

Everyone is differnt, right? so one can say

Not everyone is suited for marriage?
Not everyone is suited for having children?

Not everyone suited to Weight Train??????

I think you make some really good points.

People in modern society lack strength and it has alot to do with the way culture/jobs are becoming more sedentary.

I think what needs to be communicated is what a huge payoff minimal investments can have compared to the mindset of all/or nothing.

Just imagine if every American did 4 minute tabata squats 3x/week?

 

[my big toe]

That's actually a pretty interesting Idea, but by no means a simple one. as we all know there are a LOT of factors involved in striking power and many of them are personal (meaning they vary from individual to individual). I'd be interested in a study like that, but it's no small undertaking. I'm not sure that something like that is possible. However, you can draw from research done on simpler movements. Ross Enamait (two refferences to this guy in one day, really, I'm not a nutthugger he just seems to be on the cutting edge of boxing training) utilizes methods like complex training and plyometrics in combination with heavy lifting. While I don't agree with everything he says he takes proven methods for simpler actions and applies them to striking in ways that are really impressive.

Hey Urban, funny you should mention that, I had a Shotokan instructor who was also a nuclear physicist, and had built an Impactometer in 1969 as part of a class project at SUNY. Interesting guy, over the years he wrote a few books on the subject of kinetics, striking force, body dynamics, etc. He is one of those rare individuals that is super-tough and smart. Here is a small excerpt he wrote on striking force: