What do you think about trumps ideas?

The difference is that the government is not a business. It's not. And the main way in which it is similar, i.e. it's a large organization that needs to be run as efficiently as possible, is what Trump is terrible at. He's a deal maker, and historically a pretty good one, but I'm not sure what his ability to make big real estate deals has to do with being a good president.

The other thing is, as a businessman Trump has left a lot of broken companies and shattered lives in his wake. It's fine for him to take a risk on a project, have it go bankrupt, and then he goes on to something else, but that's not really what you look for in someone running a nation. The US can't be abandoned as a bad bet by its president, and Trump's done a lot of that in his career.

Though you are right that his candidacy is not a joke, and everyone at this point should stop pretending that it is.


It is a business. It has revenues and expenses, and the profits are seen in the prosperity and future of the U.S. Run the country like shit, and have a shitty future.
I would call it the largest business in the history of planet earth. If you don't want to call it a business, fine.

You haven't told me why he's terrible at running a business and you ignored the whole point of my post.

He's a joke compared to who? What has Obama, Hillary, or any repub candidates done in their life that makes Trump pale in comparison?

And really you're upset about investment banks losing money on a deal? People accept risk when they invest...sometimes they realize a profit sometimes they lose. This is a pathetic talking point usually used by those that typically hate banks, and the wealthy.
 
can't get over the fact that a dude compared two, full scaled wars/invasions of entire countries, to drone strikes in a few others......

I'm by no means a Dem, but if that is the best example of us being 'worse' under Obama.......

That's literally the worst argument I've ever heard
 
People taking trump seriously confirms how flawed we are as a species.

Mr Bean for president.

You know nothing about America. Just get here recently ? LA just elected 2 ILLEGAL immigrants to city political positions. ILLEGAL immigrants were given political positions !! Time for America to wake up and realize that their country is being taken over from the inside out. Screw all this politically correct bullshit that forces America to accept its own demise. Screw every politician that panders to the latinos for votes while forsaking REAL American citizens.Screw the corporations that lobby for immigration so they can continue to receive their slave laborers. Screw all recently arrived latinos that fight for more immigration because they have more loyalty to their country of origin than they do for the US and its true citizens. Screw all of them.

Build a wall. Go all the way. Make it so that not one illegal gets across the border. Who is against that ? Only people who truly feel that crossing the border SHOULDNT be illegal at all are against the wall. And there are many that would like to completely legalize crossing over, they just wont say it. Instead they just block all ideas of stopping illegal immigration. Enough is enough. Trump is saying what many have been feeling but were to afraid to verbalize due to fear of being labeled "racist" by the PC whores running around trying to erase any thoughts of protecting US citizens interests over the interests of immigrants.
 
I still don't understand why his candidacy is a joke? Is it more of a joke than a junior senator/community organizer going from obscurity to leader of the free world?


If you're going to tell me he's a joke, do it in relation to the career politicians hes up against. Im not sure how much experience you've had with bureaucrats but in mine, they are not effective, efficient, or good leaders. Trump has spent his life in a world where performance is the only thing that matters...not votes. I would take a leader in any industry over a life long politician. Its like comparing a lion in the wild to one that was born in captivity, and has had its meals delivered to it daily.

Damn. Well said man.
 
donald trump is literally giving hillary votes with his antics. maybe thats his plan all along and was aluded to when he was posed the question to backing down if he wasnt chosen at the rnc

No. Not at all. He is gaining momentum while Hillary is up to her nose in lies and scandal.He is saying what many people want to hear. And he clarified after the debate why he said he wouldnt rule out running as an independent. Basically he wanted to use his decision as leverage. Keep it in their mind that if they use dirty politics to discredit him, he will threaten to run as an independent. He doesnt want to and he said that he of course most likely isnt going to do that, but he didnt want to let them know that right away so he had some leverage. He is a negotiator. Why tell your opponents that you will help them at a later date? And He has the establishment running scared now. Even Fox news is attacking him. Why ? Is it because the powers that be are afraid that he is a threat to their oligarchy ? Dont you realize that Fox asked that question first to make Trump look bad and for no other reason ? Think about it.
 
Trump is good at pointing out what's broken. But so am I.

So far, there aren't many examples (...any?) of how, specifically, he'll fix these things.

Build a wall, keep out all illegals and increase the security of our borders. Also negotiate trade deals that are actually good for the American people rather than deals that are good for the corporations and big business. Those 2 issues are more real than anything anyone else is saying.
 
what ideas? Giant wall? I think it's dumb.. it will cost a shit load to build, even more to maintain, and even more to staff with people that will respond when it is broken or dug under... people dig tunnels from one mexican house to one american house..like a wall would stop them..
 
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Great post. I wish people would look at him with unbiased eyes and see what he is actually proposing. The media isnt helping at all since they are run by the people Trump is threatening. I hope he wins. America needs someone who doesnt cower down to banking/oil/corporatins and just does what is good for the people even if it means less profits for the fat bastards running the shit show.
 
what ideas? Giant wall? I think it's dumb.. it will cost a shit load to build, even more to maintain, and even more to staff with people that will respond when it is broken or dug under... people dig tunnels from one mexican house to one american house..like a wall would stop them..

You couldnt be more wrong. We lose WAAAAY more money on illegals that cross over in so many ways than what a wall would cost us. Its not even close. Building a wall would save money, thats a fact. And if we had an administration that actually put effort into stopping ALL ways of illegal immigration, you wouldnt be worried about tunnels. That happening now because we basically have an administration that is tying the hands of border patrol on purpose because their true intention isnt stopping illegals at all. People need to start seeing just how bad immigration is hurting our country. Enough of the PC denial.
 
America needs to stop trying to relive the glory days of the past, those manufacturing jobs that pay enough to allow you to own a house two cars and sent your 2 children to school wont be coming back.

Going back into the middle East with troops would be a terrible mistake, we know now it wont work anyway, they have to fix themselves.

Also you wont be able to fix relations with Putin because he is not interested in fixing anything. He needs to stay in power at all cost to prevent criminal charges.

Wrong. Those jobs should never have left, and they wouldnt have had we not created trade deals that completely screwed the American people while favoring big business. We lost a lot of those jobs to Mexico with NAFTA. That NEVER should have happened.

I agree totally on the rest of your post.
 
It is a business. It has revenues and expenses, and the profits are seen in the prosperity and future of the U.S. Run the country like shit, and have a shitty future.
I would call it the largest business in the history of planet earth. If you don't want to call it a business, fine.

You haven't told me why he's terrible at running a business and you ignored the whole point of my post.

He's a joke compared to who? What has Obama, Hillary, or any repub candidates done in their life that makes Trump pale in comparison?

And really you're upset about investment banks losing money on a deal? People accept risk when they invest...sometimes they realize a profit sometimes they lose. This is a pathetic talking point usually used by those that typically hate banks, and the wealthy.

I agreed with you in the last sentence that he isn't a joke. You need to learn to read the entire post.

And no, I'm not upset about banks losing money, just like I'm not upset that some of Trump's businesses failed. Who cares? He typically invests in pretty high risk projects (casinos, high end real estate). Why would you think I was upset about that?

But as for the US being a business, it's simply not. The government is not a profit seeking entity. It's not a corporation. It doesn't have shareholders who expect a return on investment and can divest if they so choose. It has some parallels to a large corporation in terms of having many divisions which try to accomplish different things, a somewhat decentralized structure, logistical and administrative challenges, etc, but it's not a business in any sense.

Regarding Trump and his skills running businesses, it's important to understand what sort of businesses Trump has always made. He's basically an investor/financier. He's pretty good at judging risk and reward and getting good deal terms out of people, as well as using legal and financial maneuvering to get the most out of his businesses. Those are all great things to be good at and have made him very wealthy, but they're not the sort of business skills that would carry over well to being president. He's not known to be a good leader (quite the opposite, in fact), he's not known for creating strong teams of people around him (he makes basically all decisions himself), and he's definitely not someone who spends a ton of time on the operational side of the business trying to figure out ways to make his firms run better. Those are the kinds of business skills that conceivably have some carry over to the white house. So I'm not knocking his business skills; he's been very successful. I just don't think his particular set of skills is very relevant to leading the free world.
 
The fact that Trump has so much support shows how weak the GOP field is.

He's like a reality show version of Chris Christie without the actual political experience. I'm a registered republican but the party is in total disarray.

Stop looking for someone with "political experience" Which basically equals corruption and start looking for someone who has good decision making skills, negotiating skills,management skills and the desire to do whats good for the American people.
 
He's a spectacle, and I would never vote for him, but on a couple of issues he's been on point and honest.

I once recall him describing QE as "welfare for rich people, we don't need it". His commentary about making trade deals more favorable to the US I completely support, and it makes sense since he's a real estate guy and that's a heavy focus into "getting the best deal".

I also think improving our relationship with Russia is a good idea, but also I think the Ukraine moving into the EU/NATO was tactically a poor move and a bad idea overall.
 
It was the first debate of Trump's life against seasoned debators. He wasn't perfect, but he held his own pretty well. Especially with how hard Megyn Kelly was on him.

80% of the show was NOT debate. It was individual questions to the candidates. A debate includes providing justified reasoning for your position. If placed in a REAL debate, where he must face off with other candidates, he would be pummeled because he speaks only in rhetoric and insults.
 
You know nothing about America. Just get here recently ? LA just elected 2 ILLEGAL immigrants to city political positions. ILLEGAL immigrants were given political positions !! Time for America to wake up and realize that their country is being taken over from the inside out. Screw all this politically correct bullshit that forces America to accept its own demise. Screw every politician that panders to the latinos for votes while forsaking REAL American citizens.Screw the corporations that lobby for immigration so they can continue to receive their slave laborers. Screw all recently arrived latinos that fight for more immigration because they have more loyalty to their country of origin than they do for the US and its true citizens. Screw all of them.

Build a wall. Go all the way. Make it so that not one illegal gets across the border. Who is against that ? Only people who truly feel that crossing the border SHOULDNT be illegal at all are against the wall. And there are many that would like to completely legalize crossing over, they just wont say it. Instead they just block all ideas of stopping illegal immigration. Enough is enough. Trump is saying what many have been feeling but were to afraid to verbalize due to fear of being labeled "racist" by the PC whores running around trying to erase any thoughts of protecting US citizens interests over the interests of immigrants.

A giant fucking wall will not only be expensive as Hell, but won't do the job. If people are committed to improving their lives, they will do whatever it takes to circumvent some stupid wall.
 
Stop looking for someone with "political experience" Which basically equals corruption and start looking for someone who has good decision making skills, negotiating skills,management skills and the desire to do whats good for the American people.

He's running to pad his ego, not to do what's best for you and I.
 
The real trump is a progressive, he's just trolling everyone now.

His previous call for single payer healthcare, a wealth tax to pay off the debt, and support for pro-choice are all closer to his real beliefs than what's he's spouting now.
 
But as for the US being a business, it's simply not. The government is not a profit seeking entity. It's not a corporation. It doesn't have shareholders who expect a return on investment and can divest if they so choose. It has some parallels to a large corporation in terms of having many divisions which try to accomplish different things, a somewhat decentralized structure, logistical and administrative challenges, etc, but it's not a business in any sense.

Government could be described as a non-profit with the ability to monopolize various fields/endeavors and having the power to demand/collect donations. Another business-like feature would be the ability to go bankrupt and dissolve. Clearly though the usual profit-seeking mandate doesn't apply.
 
donald trump is literally giving hillary votes with his antics. maybe thats his plan all along and was aluded to when he was posed the question to backing down if he wasnt chosen at the rnc

You literally do not know what the word "literally" means.
 
You couldnt be more wrong. We lose WAAAAY more money on illegals that cross over in so many ways than what a wall would cost us. Its not even close. Building a wall would save money, thats a fact. And if we had an administration that actually put effort into stopping ALL ways of illegal immigration, you wouldnt be worried about tunnels. That happening now because we basically have an administration that is tying the hands of border patrol on purpose because their true intention isnt stopping illegals at all. People need to start seeing just how bad immigration is hurting our country. Enough of the PC denial.

You are misunderstanding completely....


Also, your parrotting of the "PC" line doesn't apply because I have made no statements for or against keeping illegals out.. I simply said, a wall is not going to solve the problem... it will cost us a shit load and ultimately result in no benefits... Mexicans already tunnel under the entire border... it's "special ed" to think a wall is going to slow them down considering that fact.

It's like the war on drugs.. a giant money pit that results in nothing.. the way to slow immigration is not to stupidly erect a wall.. it's to make this side of the line less desirable to illegals, and to assist in making that side of the line more desirable to them...
 
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