What did Lawler do wrong?

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  1. macklin

    macklin White Belt

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    I put a big bet on Lawler last weekend and obviously had a rough night. This article painted a pretty poor picture of Woodley's striking, but it seems like he improved in leaps and bounds in the time between his last fight. I guess working with the Duke will have that effect.

    I've heard people say Lawler just couldn't handle the speed but does anyone have more technical insight?
     
  2. PivotPunch

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    He jumped backwards with both hands extended forward for whatever reason so the exact thing he did wrong was just doing a horrible defensive mistake (maybe he thought Woodley's was going for a TD?)

    Tactically he should have maybe fought more like he fought Hendricks with a high guard ready to defend looping shots rather than trying to bounce and be slick against a guy who made his UFC career out of covering distance and exploding forward with overhands
     
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    he got faked.
    Listen to the interview by both guys at the end and watch it again in slow mo.
    Woodley faked a bunch of punches which Lawler reacted to thus leaving himself open for the real shot.
    Lawler was planning to block/parry it with his hands like in the Hendricks fight but he was parrying fakes/feints. and he actually didn't move backward enough. He should've moved back more. He stayed pretty much in place and that's why Woodley was able to connect.

    All in all it was good boxing by woodley. Not much Lawler coulda done other than move back more. It's not his style to just hold his guard up but rather to parry and counter. Even if he hold his guard up and block those shots, it would still rock him cuz Woodley hit so hard. But perhaps against Woodley, "rope-a-dope" is probably a better strategy. But that was classic Lawler style and it backfired this time.
     
  4. Vil7

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    1st he got backed up against the cage. 2nd he didn't recognize Woodley was setting up the overhand right when he was pawing at Lawler's lead hand to find his range. 3rd he didn't see Woodley leaning over to his left which would indicate he is throwing a big overhand right and didn't have his hands in the proper position to make an intelligent defense.
     
  5. UltimateMoving

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    I thought he didnt move backwards enough and circle. He was stiff too
     
  6. PivotPunch

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    I don't think you should ever parry with both hands at the same time regardless of how much Lawler got faked.
    Unless you are someone like Foreman and if it's your guard but Lawler parried with both hands while being straight up and having his chin in the air while guys like Foreman who did that alwys stood solid with the chin tucked and both feet on the ground to receive the shots that do get through.

    Woodley eats guys who are too afraid of his right hand alive. If he moved more the same would have happened.

    Marquardt beat Woodley by pushing him backwards allthough a green version of Woodley and Rory also pushed him backwards but did so in a safer way by using distance and jabs.
    Even if you fight safe you can not just run from Woodley you can always move faster forward and Woodley is quicker than most guys to begin with.
     
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    it's more on what woodley did right. look at his footwork before the punch, he really got a lot of range by stutter stepping not only once, but TWICE. and he got a lot of extension on his cross, i mean i dont blame lawler for thinking he was safe at that range. he got him from a very long distance, he was still circling but woodley cut him off.
     
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    He stiffened up and backed into the cage. Honestly it looks like he knew he was going to eat a bomb.
     
  9. Jimmy Jazz

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    Standing so squared up against a puncher doesnt help
     
  10. roventu

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    Here is the footwork btw (look at the bird's eye view)

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    think he wouldve wrecked anyone coming in at that speed.
     
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    should have been faster IMO
     
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    2 things:

    1. Got caught off balance

    2. "Hand down, man down"
     
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    You should never assume that you can back up quicker than the opponent especially someone like Woodley can advance no one can move backwards quicker than forwards.

    At the very least you need to be in position to absorb the punch if it still hits.

    It was just dumb what he did. Lawler should have known that he isn't Ali he had no chance doing this to begin with at leastnot against a first round fresh Woodley.
    He should have stood his ground early on and moved only in the later rounds when Woodley was slowing down.

    How does one say he should have moved MORE? How could he have done that? Some of you say yourself he did the right things with his feet. He just did it in the wrong moment when it couldn't work and he is after all still Lawler and not Ali.
    He wasn't square either at some point when you move you just have to bring back the non leading leg that's how humans move.

    And again parrying with two hands when it's not your thing (for 99.99999% of all fighters ever it isn't) and when you are out of position (even Foreman would have gotten knocked out had he done it the way Lawlor did) is beyond wrong and a brainfart on his part.

    You guys say things like he didn't move enough or he was too square or he was out of position but by the nature of what he was doing at that moment he had to be the only obvious things he did wrong was the 2 handed parrying but the rest was just the wrong style to fight Woodley at the wrong time
     
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    Lol sticking both your hands out like that. Just a bad moment for lawler
     
  15. EndlessCritic

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    He got caught.

    The best in the world get caught. Calzaghe got dropped in round one against RJJ and Hopkins. In an MMA fight, that might have been it. Instead, Calzaghe went on to win both fights thanks to the 10 count.
     
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    Watch cerrone vs cote; trail hand overhand is one of the best tools in the cage, but in certain situations it is also very easy to counter. Like many things in mma, it all revolves around the takedown threat.

    Someone worried about you shooting in will often be cautious about moving forward, and may be looking to poke with a jab or side kick. The overhand accomplishes several things here; it can be thrown with the same movement for closing the distance, it takes your head off the centerline, and either crosses your opponents strike, or loops around his hands and splits his guard if he shells up. It is very reliable in this situation and there is a reason so many different fighters have so much success with it.

    The way you can deal with it is in many ways isomorphic with the above; the number one way to punish someone moving into you is with the counter double, and the overhand even more so. With the level change you avoid the strike completely, the opponent is planted and strait up, and you are both moving together allowing you to get deep on the hips and under his center of gravity. The takedown practically takes care of itself.

    Even someone with only average TDs and plant someone with much better TDD in that situation. Cerrone is hardly known for his wrestling, but every time Cote looked to throw his overhand, Cerrone hit the reaction shot and put him on the ground. After doing this two or three times, Cote stopped throwing the overhand, and without the threat of this vital tool, he was picked apart in neutral.
     
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    He didn't do anything that he wouldn't have gotten away with 90% of the time. Woodley feints pretty well and used them to land that punch of his but he's an exceptional athlete and it takes time to get your range against people who can close it much faster than the average human. That combined with Tyrones power and Lawlers deterioration meant that he never really had the chance to use his deeper tool box.
     
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    That's exactly what happened. Lawler was trying to stay on the outside for the first round and tire Woodley out, that seemed like the gameplan. Woodley took a quick step faked the right hand, Lawler fell for it and tried to parry it as he does, Woodley then took another quick step, landing the overhand and taking advantage of Lawlers arm being outstretched after the parry. Looking at it now it was actually quite brilliantly executed.
     
  19. ButtonMasher

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    It's the balance, all you have to do is look at the GIF.

    That's one of the first rules of fighting, to always keep your balance because if you get caught flush while you're off balance the chances of you going down are so much higher.

    Had Lawler been able to step his left foot like normal, there's a pretty good chance he would have ate that shot (though he probably would have still been rocked).

    But Woodley caught him between steps by rushing him, and then as soon as Lawler went down Woodley jumped all over him.

    The only main thing Lawler could have done to be in a better position is stand still.

    If anything it was just great move on Woodley's part, there's some youtube interview with Bernard Hopkins where he goes into some detail talking about a savvy fighter is gonna try and punch you between footsteps because you're off balance and have basically no power.

    Definitely some next level shit.
     
  20. abgmma

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    He wasn't able to move more backward because he was against the cage.
    I won't call it a technical mistake because in my opinion he wasn't prepared for that explosive punch and he didn't even see it coming.
    The only thing he can do if he actually see it is just to slip his punch and crash into him in my opinion.
     

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