What can the fighters do to get paid better by the UFC ?

UhVaiMorre said:
That's what i'm sayin, not everyone can get casuals. Imagine you're the typical ugly cauliflower MMA fighter, how do you make people want to watch you ? they barely want to look at your face. Not saying is all about looks but they would need to generate better first impressions somehow and not based on their in-fight skills. I can't someone think like Tony Ferguson, trash talking his opponent, getting a lot of fans with it and people calling him role model. maybe i'm wrong but i don't think they all can do this, and that's not on them. The casuals would have to connect with the fighters somehow.
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You have to present something that resonates with the fan base. One of the worst things you can do is try to fake a persona that you can't do convincingly. The trash talk works for Conor (mostly). It comes off as poorly faked WWE act with Tony Ferguson.

One thing that would help is more fighters recognizing that wooing fans matters - potentially in a huge way - and is a big part of their being able to get more money.
 
touchedbyjab said:
Act more like a WWE gimmick and create buzz. Ex. Piledrive Dana through a fold out table.

Also, win fights and be exciting.
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Would you enjoy an African\Mexican\Brazilian version of Conor ? i bet as soon as they start gimmicking they would get hate.
 
Toxxus said:
You have to present something that resonates with the fan base. One of the worst things you can do is try to fake a persona that you can't do convincingly. The trash talk works for Conor (mostly). It comes off as poorly faked WWE act with Tony Ferguson.

One thing that would help is more fighters recognizing that wooing fans matters - potentially in a huge way - and is a big part of their being able to get more money.
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Exactly, Tony comes off cringe. And i don't know why it works for Conor more than for everyone else, i'm pretty sure good trash talkers exist since always, but not everyone resonates with the fans. Why he does resonate so much ?
 
ZuffaExecutive said:
Heres the thing not everyone in the ufc is going to be a millionaire,The guys who are gettng in the ufc and getting 10k and 10k + medical thats amazing for the fight game.No one else does that not in boxing or any other mma org.

Now the problems for me personally come with what the top guys are getting paid.There is people headlining shows earning peanuts.There should be a minimum you get paid if your the headlining act or a top 5 guy.You shouldnt have a guy like rory earning 50k to show ,who has headlined a couple of shows and fought for the belt and is canadas biggest active star
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It's a rock and a hard place situation... Pay them too little and the fighters aren't living properly, pay them too much and business can take a down turn leaving you with big contracts and no money to pay them... But it's not so much about how much the fighters make compared to each other as to how much the promotion takes - I know that's how business works, but it's also super capitalistic in a working-class sport.

It's also true that boxers aren't all millionaires either - they also make more now than they ever did in the golden days.

Fighters pay is an issue, but it's because of the way the promotion is set up... A clear league, points system, and so on would be the fairest way to do it, but that would be terrible business again. Its tricky.
 
I think in the short term, the UFC and Reebok could be more open to having more select sponsors place logos on their fight kits; re-opening a once staple revenue stream for fighters.
 
Learn English
UhVaiMorre said:
What about those who don't speak English ? trash talk in native language ? :/
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Learn English. Fighters like to talk about the hours they spend in the gym. They can add a couple of hours of English each week. We're not talking about law school.

Especially since the most obstinate idiots about this are Brazilians and the vocabulary and grammar come from the same source. I know enough Portugese to call somebody out.
 
UhVaiMorre said:
What about those who don't speak English ? trash talk in native language ? :/
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Learn basic English, talk shit about America.

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Toxxus said:
Put butts in seats. Get casual fans to buy PPVs.

That is your ultimate leverage is negotiating with the UFC. If not having you on a card means they lose money then they will pay you more to show up.

Conor over-reached on his UFC 200 shenanigans, but it's obvious that his pay rate (guaranteed 10 million per some articles) is based solely on his ability to get people to buy tickets and PPVs.
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The UFC gave Conor a platform to disk and allowed him to say some of the most asinine things ever. The UFC does not give everyone the same privileges/leeway.

Conor didn't make Conor a star. The UFC nurtured Conor into what you see today.
 
accolyte1022 said:
Learn basic English, talk shit about America.

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But then you're only bringing in Casuals that want to see you get beheaded and the trolling after a loss would be infinite. No fighter wants that. As a brazilian is very sad having to deal with people talking shit about our country, we rather not have that and i'm sure americans wouldn't want that.
 
UhVaiMorre said:
But then you're only bringing in Casuals that want to see you get beheaded and the trolling after a loss would be infinite. No fighter wants that. As a brazilian is very sad having to deal with people talking shit about our country, we rather not have that and i'm sure americans wouldn't want that.
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Casuals = $$$$

Conor bless.
 
intelligently start beefs with other good fighters so there is an interest in the eventual fight. You cant just shit talk randlonly like luke and chris its not authentic and it makes me not want to see the rematch as much as the original fight.
Conor seems very authentic in his approach to shit talking, chael was the master. Dude had a style and the talent for first fight main card fights but his wit and intelligence took him to multi million dollar paydays.
 
MasterNinjaRat said:
Lol, so UFC is just being racist? C'mon man... that's just weak.
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Nah man you missed the point. i'm saying that ethnicity does matter if you're trying to get some casuals to like you. You get a clash of cultures if you're trying to do something to please Americans. Conor gets a pass because half the USA thinks they're half-irish. Ethnicity, not race, that matters.

Nothing to do with the UFC, neither Racism because Brazlians, mexicans and africans are humans aswell. Is about who the majority of casuals can connect with. Can you guys connect with Aldo ? or Yair Rodriguez ? or Oluwale Bamgbose ? or Cheick Kongo ? Henry Cejudo ? I'm sayin this because i understand, not many brazilians understand guys like Chael Sonnen or Conor Mcgregor and they come off as disrespectful. I know it would happen with us if we tried doing it.
 
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Fully submit to Reebok deal!

Reebok deal is BEST deal!
 
bjpenngoat said:
intelligently start beefs with other good fighters so there is an interest in the eventual fight. You cant just shit talk randlonly like luke and chris its not authentic and it makes me not want to see the rematch as much as the original fight.
Conor seems very authentic in his approach to shit talking, chael was the master. Dude had a style and the talent for first fight main card fights but his wit and intelligence took him to multi million dollar paydays.
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Chael ? saying he didn't knew we had computers and our kids were playing in the dirt while he talked about technology is master trash talk? See, for one side of the game is ok, for the other isn't. That's why i think if you're not american, you can't trash talk. every american would get salty at someone from a thirld world country talking shit about them, wouldn't they ?
 
Bend NvR Break said:
The UFC gave Conor a platform to disk and allowed him to say some of the most asinine things ever. The UFC does not give everyone the same privileges/leeway.

Conor didn't make Conor a star. The UFC nurtured Conor into what you see today.
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It's a bit of both. The UFC realized that Conor presents well so they gave him more time in front of a microphone to do what he's good at. They could not have achieved the same level of success in creating a star using Ben Rothwell or Mighty Mouse Johnson.

The UFC recognized they had a potential super star on their hands and they made it happen. That's just good business (unlike the Reebok deal).
 
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