What are your thoughts on animal experimentation?

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  1. Was Exiled

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    Not something I've ever really given much thought before, but while I was looking up some stuff to do with brain isolation I read about the dog and monkey head transplants (or body transplants) and honestly, I've seen a lot of gore videos on the internet but this was by far one of the most uncomfortable. Here's it in video (at 4:56)



    There's also a pretty cool mini documentary about it that I'll post below.

    Here's a picture of the dogs(honestly not 100% sure on the validity of this picture, I've seen a few different ones online that are pretty different from eachother so this could be fake, looks a little too clean)

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    On one hand organ transplants are a direct result of animal experimentation and then on the other it just feels plain wrong in my gut. Then there's stuff like cosmetics being tested on animals and other things that don't improve quality of human life all that much at the expense of animals. Interested to hear some Sherdoggers opinions on it.
     
  2. Was Exiled

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    the mini-documentary



     
  3. Krav McGraw

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    One argument that Peter Singer writes about is that if you believe it's ok to experiment on perfectly healthy chimps for example, then why not also experiment on people with down syndrome or severe brain damage? In such cases, it's the chimp who is smarter and more self-aware and has a higher level of sentience.
     
  4. SaintSoldier

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    I think it makes more sense to experiment on people who give their consent, and then pay them for it (if they survive). After all, we are just animals too.
     
  5. GracieMMABarra

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    Or use those lovely never getting out prisoners.

    For profit and science can be the new nationwide prison motto.
     
  6. Was Exiled

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    That's a really interesting point, never thought of something like that. If they were experimenting with ants I couldn't give a fuck but dogs,chimps and most animals? That's where I feel it gets weird and I know that it's hypocritical of me. I mean where does the line get drawn on what's considered dumb or insignificant enough to be tooled with?


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  7. Street Level

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    Better them then us (if shit goes bad). Then move to human testing (is shit doesn't go bad).
     
  8. PabloZed

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    My brother does research on mice, and his outfit has all sorts of rules, etc regarding the mice. It is important research that could not be legally performed on humans. I can't see foregoing research simply because one thinks animals have extraordinary rights.
     
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    That's the point of the argument. He questions why being a member of the species homo sapien gives one special privileges.

    He argues that qualities like sentience and self-awareness hold more "moral weight" than what species you belong to.

    Peter Singer is a master of these arguments. He has been doing it for over 30 years and I recommend looking up his lectures and writing if you want to really get into it.
     
  10. Bob Gray

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    Largely dependent on what the study is. I understand even groups like PETA that argue against part of the experimentation that go on for something like cosmetic products. However when it comes to stuff like a vaccine for polio? Sorry, some monkeys are gonna have to die.
     
  11. Mae

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    I'm 100% against it. To test on conscious creatures who can suffer without their consent is immoral. I wouldn't experiment on humans or animals against their will.
     
  12. El Che

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    Why experiment and test things on animals when there's plenty of child rapists out there to do more accurate testing with humans themselves.
     
  13. doomy200

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    If it can help save lives, sure. (It would have to be significant) If it's for cosmetics and things like that, they can go screw themselves. Go ahead and test it on the women who want those products.
     
  14. Was Exiled

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    What does he do(and do with them) out of curiosity?
     
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    Fuck mice. How any homeowner could stand up for those things is beyond me.
     
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    its the worst way to do it, but its also the best way we've got so keep on keepin on animal brain scramblers
     
  17. livingdeadmoose

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    100% disagree with it. We have plenty of murderers, rapists, child molestors, and sickos in prison. Use them up.
     
  18. Bob Gray

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    But would you sacrifice 1 life to save 1,000?
     
  19. Crono7

    Crono7 GET TO THE CHOPPA

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    Basically anything medical is tested on animals before human trials

    all medications and what not

    there is no alternative

    my life is more important than a chimp's or dog's
     
  20. Mae

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    I've moved away from consequentialism these last few years. I think it is wrong to kill someone against their will. If it is really okay to kill the few to protect the many, then it would be moral to test on a small group of islanders to help the rest of us out. I wouldn't want to be treated like that, so I wouldn't treat others as such.
     

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