What are your opinions on those health nut types of athletes?

[Baby Hanma]

You guys know who I'm talking about.

They tend to be wholesome guys with a friendly but non-flamboyant personality and have the most boring hobbies you can imagine. Like gardening. They eat an apple and grilled chicken breast for lunch and their RPE when they are lifting weights is always five out of ten.

They are NPCs in every sport you can imagine but they seem to live to 100 years old.

I've been doing heavy strength training for... what... Two years and four months now? Heavy and high volume with mid-tier frequency (squat twice a week). Gained lots of strength and size, relatively speaking.

I wouldn't trade what I did for those more than two years for anything, but I do think that by my third year, I'd have to call it quits with my powerlifting and Olympic lifting ambitions and just play the fit grandpa role. But I do think the three years of heavy lifting with squats, pulls, presses, and rows that I did semi-consistently would have greatly contributed to a surplus of muscle mass to hoard at an older age. If I still lift heavy once a week and then go light hypertrophy route on most other workouts, I feel like I can play that fit grandpa role better than most of those guys at that age. I'll actually be the most jacked dude in my fifties.

... And then do some girly Lee Haney "Fit at Any Age" workout and be a goofy old guy who just refuses to die.

Lee Haney, in that book, advises old men who train with his girly workouts to only eat 75 grams of protein a day. That's low as hell... But if I can still run and jump at age 70... Oh boy.

What do you think?

I'm running for office in my fifties, guys.

 

[Baby Hanma]

I found this picture of my hero, Doug Hepburn. He's definitely old in this one but still had huge guns. He was also documented to have squatted 500 pounds for 15 reps when he was fifty.

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I'd love to be as strong as he was when I'm in my sixties and seventies. Him being strong even as a seventy year old. But he definitely didn't seem healthy.

I don't know man. I think there should be periods in my life when I walk away from the barbell and power rack and just focus on muscular endurance. It just seems better to do that every now and then for the sake of becoming vital in my nineties.

 

[Trabaho]

Guys remember when this place had good topics and posters

Rip to sherdog S&C

 

[usernamee]

Doug Hepburn was a badass. Weighed like 300lbs and performed handstand pushups. He says he used to be able to do a handstand on a four feet high platform and jump to the floor and land in the handstand as well.

 

[Fahcough]

Doug Hepburn was a badass. Weighed like 300lbs and performed handstand pushups. He says he used to be able to do a handstand on a four feet high platform and jump to the floor and land in the handstand as well.

That is badass. Big ole boy to be inverted and balanced.

20s was ego training for numbers
30s was hitting better numbers and random injuries
40s is more injuries while cutting numbers in half and just trying not to get hurt.

Switched to athletic movements with more mobility and more variety with less constant repetitions. Strength started returning. Feel better & look better than a chunk that snores when he looks down. But most favor lifting towards their body type.

 

[ROcknrollracing]

The truth is none of us in here training for general strength and health. You pretty much max out the health benefits of training athletes the end of beginner program. If you never train with weights again and do not get deathly ill you will remain strong than if you had never trained your entire life until age depletes you. You can maintain low strength levels relative to your potential with very little training. If you are staying active and doing some type of conditioning it is more “healthy”. Long term caloric restriction correlates with longevity.

Chasing numbers at least gives you an outlet to be active if you can’t find a suitable replacement like gardening.

The reality is the barbell was never even necessary for health. You can gain muscle mass doing other things like pushups, pull-ups or even bodyweight training plus rucking.

 

[Baby Hanma]

The truth is none of us in here training for general strength and health. You pretty much max out the health benefits of training athletes the end of beginner program. If you never train with weights again and do not get deathly ill you will remain strong than if you had never trained your entire life until age depletes you. You can maintain low strength levels relative to your potential with very little training. If you are staying active and doing some type of conditioning it is more “healthy”. Long term caloric restriction correlates with longevity.

Chasing numbers at least gives you an outlet to be active if you can’t find a suitable replacement like gardening.

The reality is the barbell was never even necessary for health. You can gain muscle mass doing other things like pushups, pull-ups or even bodyweight training plus rucking.

I believe you are trivializing “training for health” by putting real strength training on a pedestal.

Although I believe strength training with heavy weight with the main compound movements is great in so many ways, I’m not gonna be a second Mark Rippetoe by saying it is the ultimate thing in physical development. Ancient soldiers have built a decent amount of shoulder and back strength from throwing javelins lifting thirty-pound rocks.

Fitness, and with it, strength, is dynamic and fluid. Just because strength is the most highly prized physical quality doesn’t mean other forms of training should be devalued. And I’m a Doug Hepburn and Paul Anderson fanatic, Mister Roll-race.

Check this out please…

 

[maximus__]

You guys know who I'm talking about.

They tend to be wholesome guys with a friendly but non-flamboyant personality and have the most boring hobbies you can imagine. Like gardening. They eat an apple and grilled chicken breast for lunch and their RPE when they are lifting weights is always five out of ten.

They are NPCs in every sport you can imagine but they seem to live to 100 years old.

I've been doing heavy strength training for... what... Two years and four months now? Heavy and high volume with mid-tier frequency (squat twice a week). Gained lots of strength and size, relatively speaking.

I wouldn't trade what I did for those more than two years for anything, but I do think that by my third year, I'd have to call it quits with my powerlifting and Olympic lifting ambitions and just play the fit grandpa role. But I do think the three years of heavy lifting with squats, pulls, presses, and rows that I did semi-consistently would have greatly contributed to a surplus of muscle mass to hoard at an older age. If I still lift heavy once a week and then go light hypertrophy route on most other workouts, I feel like I can play that fit grandpa role better than most of those guys at that age. I'll actually be the most jacked dude in my fifties.

... And then do some girly Lee Haney "Fit at Any Age" workout and be a goofy old guy who just refuses to die.

Lee Haney, in that book, advises old men who train with his girly workouts to only eat 75 grams of protein a day. That's low as hell... But if I can still run and jump at age 70... Oh boy.

What do you think?

I'm running for office in my fifties, guys.

So just do what you are currently doing? You aren't lifting high volume from what you keep saying your programming looks like.
You are doing 2-4 exercises for 4-6 sets in the 3-6 rep range at sub max weights.

From memory you're doing Presses, Front Squats, Clean pulls and Rows and calling it a day. You're staying in that moderate zone of 25 reps per exercise which is good because it's at that minimum effective dose for strength/hypertrophy.

You do you mate, but youre kinda already just going to the gym, getting some work in and going home, except for when you push for maxes. That's the way to go.

 

[Baby Hanma]

So just do what you are currently doing? You aren't lifting high volume from what you keep saying your programming looks like.
You are doing 2-4 exercises for 4-6 sets in the 3-6 rep range at sub max weights.

From memory you're doing Presses, Front Squats, Clean pulls and Rows and calling it a day. You're staying in that moderate zone of 25 reps per exercise which is good because it's at that minimum effective dose for strength/hypertrophy.

You do you mate, but youre kinda already just going to the gym, getting some work in and going home, except for when you push for maxes. That's the way to go.

Maybe I'm lazy but I already struggle to keep up with my 2 to 3 days of training schedule coupled with my full time job. I'm getting close to forty. It's not just about proper nutrition at this point. I'll need to do cardio too for optimal health... Which basically means I'll need to be in the gym 5 to 6 days a week just to walk the damn treadmill on three of those days.

But for moderate strength training that a lot of niche sports provide like kettlebell athletes or crossfitters or Spartan (race) sprinters, the endurance/cardio aspect of their training is built in into the entire training session. They'd probably circuit train squats and deadlifts within the 8 to 12 rep range, followed by some kind of HIIT burpee workout. It's a great time saver. As passionate as I am to be a great powerlifter, I still have to prioritize longevity more than anything in order to fulfill my greater ambitions. Maybe giving it up for a "lesser" sport, if we dare call it that, is worth it if I can be healthy while having short workouts.

I'm glad you spotted the hypertrophy and strength combo of my training though. The way I see it, you won't reach your potential as any strength athlete unless you're willing to add some muscle. Prime Kirk Karwoski was still a stronger squatter than ultra crazy pure powerful strength athlete Lasha Talakhadze. Mainly because Kirk trained heavy with low reps, but also didn't shy away from making his legs swole-er than Lasha's. Powerbuilding for the win.

 

[NoSmilez]

Lee Haney didn't lift like a girl. He has benched 500lbs before. He just never went below 5 reps. He lifted heavy for his size. He couldn't lift like Yates or Ronnie. He doesn't have the size to lift that much.

Haney was one of the first heavily muscled competitors that came after the golden era of Arnold etc etc. After him were the mass monsters. Haney isn't a big guy compared to the mass monsters that came after. He wouldn't be competitive in the era after him.

 

[Baby Hanma]

Lee Haney didn't lift like a girl. He has benched 500lbs before. He just never went below 5 reps. He lifted heavy for his size. He couldn't lift like Yates or Ronnie. He doesn't have the size to lift that much.

Haney was one of the first heavily muscled competitors that came after the golden era of Arnold etc etc. After him were the mass monsters. Haney isn't a big guy compared to the mass monsters that came after. He wouldn't be competitive in the era after him.

What the hell is your point man? Good freaking God.

Lee Haney wrote a book called "Fit at any Age" and started a fitness brand that promotes longevity and health through girly strength training which would be better than super girly zero training. The "original" Mister Olympia Lee Haney was a unit, but that's never what he wanted for the people who would read his book. Lee Haney himself said so in that book, and I fucking own it.

What the hell man? Are you stupid or just not trying hard enough?

Throughout my life I've always been way smarter than most of my peers. I guess being a Sherdogger is no fucking different. What the fuck is wrong with society? Fuck. And you people have the fucking audacity to mock me.

 

[NoSmilez]

What the hell is your point man? Good freaking God.

Lee Haney wrote a book called "Fit at any Age" and started a fitness brand that promotes longevity and health through girly strength training which would be better than super girly zero training. The "original" Mister Olympia Lee Haney was a unit, but that's never what he wanted for the people who would read his book. Lee Haney himself said so in that book, and I fucking own it.

What the hell man? Are you stupid or just not trying hard enough?

Throughout my life I've always been way smarter than most of my peers. I guess being a Sherdogger is no fucking different. What the fuck is wrong with society? Fuck. And you people have the fucking audacity to mock me.

Lee Haney is 65 now. Why would you be interested in his training method in his late 50s? He also retired when he was in his 30s. He stayed relatively injury free vs his peers.

How am I mocking you? Is your self esteem that low to think I was attacking you?

 

[Baby Hanma]

Lee Haney is 65 now. Why would you be interested in his training method in his late 50s? He also retired when he was in his 30s. He stayed relatively injury free vs his peers.

How am I mocking you? Is your self esteem that low to think I was attacking you?

You're a total idiot.

 

[NoSmilez]

You're a total idiot.

Ok go cry to your golden people about how you can’t see your dick because you can’t stop eating.

 

[Baby Hanma]

Ok go cry to your golden people about how you can’t see your dick because you can’t stop eating.

I tried starting a syndicate with them with me as the leader with the promise that I’ll give them lots of money when I get rich. I was sincere with all of it, but they banned me because they thought I was trolling.

People are stupid.

 

[maximus__]

Maybe I'm lazy but I already struggle to keep up with my 2 to 3 days of training schedule coupled with my full time job. I'm getting close to forty. It's not just about proper nutrition at this point. I'll need to do cardio too for optimal health... Which basically means I'll need to be in the gym 5 to 6 days a week just to walk the damn treadmill on three of those days.

But for moderate strength training that a lot of niche sports provide like kettlebell athletes or crossfitters or Spartan (race) sprinters, the endurance/cardio aspect of their training is built in into the entire training session. They'd probably circuit train squats and deadlifts within the 8 to 12 rep range, followed by some kind of HIIT burpee workout. It's a great time saver. As passionate as I am to be a great powerlifter, I still have to prioritize longevity more than anything in order to fulfill my greater ambitions. Maybe giving it up for a "lesser" sport, if we dare call it that, is worth it if I can be healthy while having short workouts.

I'm glad you spotted the hypertrophy and strength combo of my training though. The way I see it, you won't reach your potential as any strength athlete unless you're willing to add some muscle. Prime Kirk Karwoski was still a stronger squatter than ultra crazy pure powerful strength athlete Lasha Talakhadze. Mainly because Kirk trained heavy with low reps, but also didn't shy away from making his legs swole-er than Lasha's. Powerbuilding for the win.

You said you are 34. It's not even close to 40.

You work in the gym. You are overcomplicating things. You are already there 5-6 days a week.

Just warm up with some conditioning before you lift and cool down with some. Your lifting volume isn't enough it will cause issues.

You won't die if you ride an exercise bike for 20 mins after you lift some weights 2-3x a week. You aren't trying to be an elite athlete, just add some extra work and conditioning.

 

[maximus__]

Ok go cry to your golden people about how you can’t see your dick because you can’t stop eating.

That's one missed haha

 

[Kforcer]

You guys know who I'm talking about.

They tend to be wholesome guys with a friendly but non-flamboyant personality and have the most boring hobbies you can imagine. Like gardening. They eat an apple and grilled chicken breast for lunch and their RPE when they are lifting weights is always five out of ten.

They are NPCs in every sport you can imagine but they seem to live to 100 years old.

I've been doing heavy strength training for... what... Two years and four months now? Heavy and high volume with mid-tier frequency (squat twice a week). Gained lots of strength and size, relatively speaking.

I wouldn't trade what I did for those more than two years for anything, but I do think that by my third year, I'd have to call it quits with my powerlifting and Olympic lifting ambitions and just play the fit grandpa role. But I do think the three years of heavy lifting with squats, pulls, presses, and rows that I did semi-consistently would have greatly contributed to a surplus of muscle mass to hoard at an older age. If I still lift heavy once a week and then go light hypertrophy route on most other workouts, I feel like I can play that fit grandpa role better than most of those guys at that age. I'll actually be the most jacked dude in my fifties.

... And then do some girly Lee Haney "Fit at Any Age" workout and be a goofy old guy who just refuses to die.

Lee Haney, in that book, advises old men who train with his girly workouts to only eat 75 grams of protein a day. That's low as hell... But if I can still run and jump at age 70... Oh boy.

What do you think?

I'm running for office in my fifties, guys.

I'm not sure who you're talking about, actually. But I will tell you what drives me nuts...

....anyone from any type of exercise that feels like they're version of exercise is the authentic one that unlocks "fundamental strength" or something whereas every other type of exercise is just a form of self-delusion.

You said you are 34. It's not even close to 40.

These young'ns in their 30's talking like they're 65...

 

[maximus__]

I'm not sure who you're talking about, actually. But I will tell you what drives me nuts...

....anyone from any type of exercise that feels like they're version of exercise is the authentic one that unlocks "fundamental strength" or something whereas every other type of exercise is just a form of self-delusion.

These young'ns in their 30's talking like they're 65..

I am around the same age, do shift work with extended hours, have a family and do more training sessions a day sometimes than he does a week.
I am not old at all haha. He sure as hell hasn't got the excuse to say that.