What are Gracies really like?

[JustOnce]

Now, I was actually rather moved by Royce's performance in UFC 1, which I watched like a decade later that it happened. It was really something else: Personally back when I got into MMA it was more for me which style is the best, and the way Royce SEEMINGLY was able to control and beat people without actually using violence almost, was like magical and something out of anime or marital arts movies.

And they do seem to portray themselves or have a public image of true martial arts family.

It just makes me wonder though, if it really is the way things are, or it's more of a cover, a projection for public.

For one, Royce popped for roids.

Then, Renzo kicked another fighter in the face when the fight was stopped, AS A COACH, and was involved in some sort of altercation or fight at a bar as well, with a bouncer I think, not to mention I heard that Renzo, I think it was, broke both arms of a guy whom he fought in the street, but you don't really do that to make sure the other guy can't fight back, which probably was the excuse I think. Might as well shoot the guy dead too.

Then, there's whole Cesar Gracie crew, which is well represented by the bright example of marital artists like Nick, Nate, Shields, and Giblert, last two of whom also tested positive for banned substances. Also, personally I believe Rickson ducked Sakuraba as well, though he may have had a legit excuse of not fighting him due to a death in the family, the window of opportunity to fight Sakuraba who was literally beating his family representatives one by one lasted far far longer than that particular period of a personal loss (rip).

I mean, Royce was someone who really blew my mind when I saw him fight, and really felt like he was something out of a movie and really left a big impression on me back then, so I 'm not trying to hate on the guy or his family, but it was just something that I am personally curious about.

So are they really this exemplary martial artists as they portray themselves, or are they more like thugs under the bright umbrella of such arts?

 

[UL]

 

[Sole]

Hickson is the greatest fighter, teacher, brother, son, father, god in the universe.

Can't speak for the others.

 

[sirmorbach]

more like thugs under the bright umbrella of such arts

Correct.

Pioneers. Arrogant pricks, but pioneers nonetheless.

Arrogant pricks. Pioneers, but arrogant pricks nonetheless.

 

[Area809]

Now, I was actually rather moved by Royce's performance in UFC 1, which I watched like a decade later that it happened. It was really something else, personally back when I got into MMA it was more for me which style is the best, even back then, and the way Royce SEEMINGLY was able to control and beat people without actually using violence almost, was like magical and something out of anime or marital arts movies.

And they do seem to portray themselves or have a public image of true martial arts family.

It just makes me wonder though, if it really is the way things are, or it's more of a cover, a projection for public.

For one, Royce popped for roids.

Then, Renzo kicked another fighter in the face when the fight was stopped, AS A COACH, and was involved in some sort of altercation or fight at a bar as well, with a bouncer I think, not to mention I heard that Renzo, I think it was, broke both arms of a guy whom he fought in the street, but you don't really do that to make sure the other guy can't fight back, which probably was the excuse I think. Might as well shoot the guy dead too.

Then, there's whole Cesar Gracie crew, which is well represented by the bright example of marital artists like Nick, Nate, Shields, and Giblert, last two of whom also tested positive for banned substances. Also, personally I believe Rickson ducked Sakuraba as well, though he may have had a legit excuse of not fighting him due to a death in the family, the window of opportunity to fight Sakuraba who was literally beating his family representatives one by one lasted far far longer than that particular period of a personal loss (rip).

I mean, Royce was someone who really blew my mind when I saw him fight, and really felt like he was something out of a movie and really left a big impression on me back then, so I 'm not trying to hate on the guy or his family, but it was just something that I am personally curious about.

So are they really this exemplary martial artists as they portray themselves, or are they more like thugs under the bright umbrella of such arts?

That family is huge. With that many people there’s always good and bad.

 

[MrCoffee]

Whenever they speak I think of a typical scenario where drunken in laws are overbearing and I am underwhelmed, but obligated to be around for a while.

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[sirmorbach]

The answer in one gif.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Now, I was actually rather moved by Royce's performance in UFC 1, which I watched like a decade later that it happened. It was really something else, personally back when I got into MMA it was more for me which style is the best, even back then, and the way Royce SEEMINGLY was able to control and beat people without actually using violence almost, was like magical and something out of anime or marital arts movies.

And they do seem to portray themselves or have a public image of true martial arts family.

It just makes me wonder though, if it really is the way things are, or it's more of a cover, a projection for public.

For one, Royce popped for roids.

Then, Renzo kicked another fighter in the face when the fight was stopped, AS A COACH, and was involved in some sort of altercation or fight at a bar as well, with a bouncer I think, not to mention I heard that Renzo, I think it was, broke both arms of a guy whom he fought in the street, but you don't really do that to make sure the other guy can't fight back, which probably was the excuse I think. Might as well shoot the guy dead too.

Then, there's whole Cesar Gracie crew, which is well represented by the bright example of marital artists like Nick, Nate, Shields, and Giblert, last two of whom also tested positive for banned substances. Also, personally I believe Rickson ducked Sakuraba as well, though he may have had a legit excuse of not fighting him due to a death in the family, the window of opportunity to fight Sakuraba who was literally beating his family representatives one by one lasted far far longer than that particular period of a personal loss (rip).

I mean, Royce was someone who really blew my mind when I saw him fight, and really felt like he was something out of a movie and really left a big impression on me back then, so I 'm not trying to hate on the guy or his family, but it was just something that I am personally curious about.

So are they really this exemplary martial artists as they portray themselves, or are they more like thugs under the bright umbrella of such arts?

They came to the USA to make money.
Royce’s victory in the UFC put their BJJ in the international spotlight.
They didn’t like it that other Brazilians and grappling styles were piggy-backing off their efforts. So they said many unpleasant things to try to guard their monopoly. Most of them are nice guys, and this was just business.
I don’t even think that there was some crazy rivalry between the Carlson and Helio camps, despite all the heated words back then. It was business; Helio’s sons wanted the spoils and didn’t like Carlson’s team capitalizing on their hard work.

Back in Brazil, before they came to the USA, many of them had reputations for beating people up on the street.

 

[Boy God]

 

[Bluesbreaker]

I don't want to be reprimanded for fighter bashing.

 

[Kingofthestreets]

I thought they were like a weird group of martial arts thugs. Not evil or just bad guys but there is something off about them. I mean its not like they are stephen wonderboy thompson esqe in their approach or the way they carry themselves.

Cool family though and pioneers of the 'sport'. Ryoce deserves his place in the hall of fame.

 

[JustOnce]

They came to the USA to make money.
Royce’s victory in the UFC put their BJJ in the international spotlight.
They didn’t like it that other Brazilians and grappling styles were piggy-backing off their efforts. So they said many unpleasant things to try to guard their monopoly. Most of them are nice guys, and this was just business.
I don’t even think that there was some crazy rivalry between the Carlson and Helio camps, despite all the heated words back then. It was business; Helio’s sons wanted the spoils and didn’t like Carlson’s team capitalizing on their hard work.

Back in Brazil, before they came to the USA, many of them had reputations for beating people up on the street.

I thought they were like a weird group of martial arts thugs. Not evil or just bad guys but there is something off about them. I mean its not like they are stephen wonderboy thompson esqe in their approach or the way they carry themselves.

Cool family though and pioneers of the 'sport'. Ryoce deserves his place in the hall of fame.

I heard someone say Stephen Thomson is not like how he looks and sounds in videos, in a darker way, but who knows

Personally not a big fan of people who beat up other people and acting like they are good guys, which is pretty much a stronger preying on weak.

 

[30% Usman]

Royce threatened eddie with a knife afrer he best royler or whatever his name is , they seem to be dicks

 

[knarker]

Kron Gracie has a YouTube channel where he shows bits of his life, only a couple episodes though.

 

[30% Usman]

I heard someone say Stephen Thomson is not like how he looks and sounds in videos, in a darker way, but who knows

Personally not a big fan of people who beat up other people and acting like they are good guys, which is pretty much a stronger preying on weak.

Cruz said that i think

 

[BA0701]

Now, I was actually rather moved by Royce's performance in UFC 1, which I watched like a decade later that it happened. It was really something else: Personally back when I got into MMA it was more for me which style is the best, and the way Royce SEEMINGLY was able to control and beat people without actually using violence almost, was like magical and something out of anime or marital arts movies.

And they do seem to portray themselves or have a public image of true martial arts family.

It just makes me wonder though, if it really is the way things are, or it's more of a cover, a projection for public.

For one, Royce popped for roids.

Then, Renzo kicked another fighter in the face when the fight was stopped, AS A COACH, and was involved in some sort of altercation or fight at a bar as well, with a bouncer I think, not to mention I heard that Renzo, I think it was, broke both arms of a guy whom he fought in the street, but you don't really do that to make sure the other guy can't fight back, which probably was the excuse I think. Might as well shoot the guy dead too.

Then, there's whole Cesar Gracie crew, which is well represented by the bright example of marital artists like Nick, Nate, Shields, and Giblert, last two of whom also tested positive for banned substances. Also, personally I believe Rickson ducked Sakuraba as well, though he may have had a legit excuse of not fighting him due to a death in the family, the window of opportunity to fight Sakuraba who was literally beating his family representatives one by one lasted far far longer than that particular period of a personal loss (rip).

I mean, Royce was someone who really blew my mind when I saw him fight, and really felt like he was something out of a movie and really left a big impression on me back then, so I 'm not trying to hate on the guy or his family, but it was just something that I am personally curious about.

So are they really this exemplary martial artists as they portray themselves, or are they more like thugs under the bright umbrella of such arts?

Nice to see Giblert making an appearance in this thread. I have missed him for quite awhile. Never did receive my Giblert fight kit.

 

[Kingofthestreets]

I heard someone say Stephen Thomson is not like how he looks and sounds in videos, in a darker way, but who knows

Yeah perhaps but if he is an a-hole he is a master at hiding it, unlike hmm say ryoce when he holds chokes like 5 seconds after a tap/ref stoppage

 

[2004 account]

Renzo didn’t break arms, he gave a dude the raccoon (2 black eyes)

 

[waynosaurus]

I used to train with Royce and Rorion at their Torrance spot years ago, just as the whole UFC thing was beginning. Really exciting times.
It's cliche to say, I suppose, but I always found them to be the nicest guys. The whole family was. We even had Helio hanging around chipping in sometimes. If I remember correctly, he liked practicing his Spanish with a few of us who spoke it.
Every now and then you hear a story about how a Gracie says or does something "dick-ish" or instances of their competitive behavior, but I don't know... they seemed like genuinely nice people.