Western kickboxers vs Western boxers -punching techniques

[spacetime]

Many people claim that western boxers training in punching is far superior to western kickboxers. But how could this be, if the punches in kickboxing are taken from western boxing?

Question is as follows:

- Putting their respective stances aside, is there any fundamental difference between western boxing punches and western kickboxers punches, both being taught correctly.

 

[Ayin]

Besides a difference in coaching (the best boxing coaches are likely coaching boxing, so the best coaches to coach punching are probably not coaching other sports, even though they include punching), the difference may lie not so much in the technique of the punches (though it probably does in body mechanics and such to get the most out of your punching techniques), but their application. Things like positioning, movement and angles to make the punches the most effective may be lost in the shuffle.

 

[spacetime]

Besides a difference in coaching (the best boxing coaches are likely coaching boxing, so the best coaches to coach punching are probably not coaching other sports, even though they include punching), the difference may lie not so much in the technique of the punches (though it probably does in body mechanics and such to get the most out of your punching techniques), but their application. Things like positioning, movement and angles to make the punches the most effective may be lost in the shuffle.

Aha, I see. Thanks. Then again, do professional boxers really adhere to the same philosophy in positioning, movement and angles?

In modern boxing they just look fat and slow. Sorry to say. I loved older boxing.

 

[FatMoiMoi]

Speaking from my own experience training Muay Thai and kickboxing I have never been taught many combinations that involve only my hands. Saying that it could be my coaches or my relative inexperience in kickboxing.

 

[facePuncher7]

They can differ substantially due to the stance from which they proceed, for one.

Also, there are many other movements that can be used as either offence or defence in boxing that cannot be used in kickboxing. Punches and combinations can stem from and lead into those movements.

For example, you won't see much slipping or weaving of punches in KB, but they are core movements in boxing that open up the arsenal of punches massively.

 

[Tug]

i think it's commonly accepted that fighters whose only focus is their 2 hands are going to be better and more skilled with their punches than fighters using 2 hands, 2 elbows, 2 feet and 2 knees. there are also other practical application differences because of the two sports, i.e. in kickboxing you need to have a stance that means you can set up and throw kicks, and elevated/defended enough to not get kicked or knee'd in the head every 5 seconds.

any punch can be taught correctly to anyone, its about how much time they train them to perfect those punches, and what they're using them.

 

[Phlog]

Everyone who I know who kickboxes trains boxing as well. My coach includes slipping and boxing positioning.

The main difference as far as I can tell is distance. Kickboxer are much better at closing the distance then getting back in. Having to negotiate your way past the leg range is good training.

The one thing missing in kickboxing is as competent an infighting game as is taught in boxing.

Now there are plenty of kickboxers who are entirely from tma backgrounds, they are generally pretty shit in one aspect or another. TKD have crap hands etc.

Our club however, does everything I've seen in boxing gyms. Maybe that's part of our ridiculous amateur record..

 

[Kanka]

i think it's commonly accepted that fighters whose only focus is their 2 hands are going to be better and more skilled with their punches than fighters using 2 hands, 2 elbows, 2 feet and 2 knees. there are also other practical application differences because of the two sports, i.e. in kickboxing you need to have a stance that means you can set up and throw kicks, and elevated/defended enough to not get kicked or knee'd in the head every 5 seconds.

any punch can be taught correctly to anyone, its about how much time they train them to perfect those punches, and what they're using them.

Unless you are samart or somrak.

 

[facePuncher7]

Unless you are samart or somrak.

I'd almost lump Pornsanae in there too.

 

[DanTheUnit]

The more you box, the more you perfect the subtle details of punching.

Punching technique hierarchy: Boxing (perfection)>"Dutch" kickboxing/K1(near perfection)>Muay Thai (good) >MMA (powerful shots, but mostly wild swinging arm punches)>TKD (can't punch for s**t).

 

[Tug]

i love watching pornsanae sit low to box the shit out of people then fire one of his low kicks. brutal.

 

[spacetime]

Everyone who I know who kickboxes trains boxing as well. My coach includes slipping and boxing positioning.

The main difference as far as I can tell is distance. Kickboxer are much better at closing the distance then getting back in. Having to negotiate your way past the leg range is good training.

The one thing missing in kickboxing is as competent an infighting game as is taught in boxing.

Now there are plenty of kickboxers who are entirely from tma backgrounds, they are generally pretty shit in one aspect or another. TKD have crap hands etc.

Our club however, does everything I've seen in boxing gyms. Maybe that's part of our ridiculous amateur record..

Actually, ITF-Taekwondo does incorporate western boxing punches.

http://www.taekwondoanimals.com/taekwondo-punches.asp

There is punching to the face in ITF-competition, that's why it's part of the training. But should an ITF face a boxer, say, he would of course kick his legs apart, as the thaiboxer would, and end it right there.

That's the major weakness in western boxing - you are screwed against kicks to the legs. But kickboxers don't punch as well as western boxers, or so they say wink:

 

[Phlog]

Actually, ITF-Taekwondo does incorporate western boxing punches.

http://www.taekwondoanimals.com/taekwondo-punches.asp

There is boxing in ITF-competition, that's why it's part of the training. But should an ITF face a boxer, say, he would of course kick his legs apart, as the thaiboxer would, and end it right there.

That's the major weakness in western boxing - you are screwed against kicks to the legs. But kickboxers don't punch as well as western boxers, or so they say:wink:

Your answer illustrated my point.

1 a lack of leg kick defence is not a weakness in boxing as kicks are against the rules.

2 punching is not what makes boxing good.

 

[spacetime]

Your answer illustrated my point.

1 a lack of leg kick defence is not a weakness in boxing as kicks are against the rules.

2 punching is not what makes boxing good.

Nah, but fighting outside of the ring, it's a huge disadvantage not being able to stand kicks to the legs. That's what's going to happen.

Then again, kickboxers and TKD-stylists don't punch as well. TKD is of course basic, watered down western boxing. Kickboxers better, but still said to be in a different dimension from boxers.

 

[Phlog]

Nah, but fighting outside of the ring, it's a huge disadvantage not being able to stand kicks to the legs. That's what's going to happen.

Then again, kickboxers and TKD-stylists don't punch as well. TKD is of course basic, watered down western boxing. Kickboxers better, but still said to be in a different dimension from boxers.

Why are you bringing fighting outside the ring into things? What has that got to do with anything?

It may be said, however, being an amateur kickboxer and having trained in all the boxing gyms in the area I can tell you that it is not the punches that are different.

 

[spacetime]

It may be said, however, being an amateur kickboxer and having trained in all the boxing gyms in the area I can tell you that it is not the punches that are different.

Just about every boxer in cyberspace would dispute that. The training in delivering punches for a trained kickboxer is according to them suboptimal.

You are welcome to share with us the differences as you see them..

 

[Forever Changes]

I'd almost lump Pornsanae in there too.

Way more aggressive. dont think he's up there imo.

 

[Captain_Dammitt]

I'm not sure about western kickboxers but I know some mt guys like to lean into their punches and in western boxing that's a big no no.

 

[Forever Changes]

Too me in a mt it seems like its more about the waist rotating than pivoting on your feet.

 

[Captain_Dammitt]

Too me in a mt it seems like its more about the waist rotating than pivoting on your feet.

Easier to throw kicks from.