Werdum has submitted the two greatest HWs of all time

[samoajoe]

Post prime Fedor got careless looking for the finish. If they had a grappling match I would give advantage to Fedor by being quicker. Armbar boom.

Werdum is top 10 of all time for sure though.

Lmfao at post prime Fedor. Lmfao st them having a grappling match and Fedor having any chance and even getting an arm bar on the greatest HW grappler likely ever haha.

Back on topic beating Cain would put him around #2 or #3 and beating JDS after would perhaps secure the #1 spot or put him damn close depending on how we won both fights.

Fedors 5th best win is Mark or heath and that's being kind and putting Tim at #4 so honestly in my mind catching fedor isn't gonna be that hard once someone can hold onto the belt and defend it a few times Cain is already closing in for me maybe another 2 or 3 wins.

 

[Post Crisis]

Nog is number two all time. He just recently fell out of the top despite having been warring since 1999. The man is one of the greatest mma legends we have.

 

[synyster]

Cain, JDS, Overeem etc. have all accomplished more in MMA.
Being there from the start doesn't mean you're the greatest.

Also, who cares about ''greatness''. I only care about who's best.

Honestly I only have Cain even in the top ten all time, and around the middle at best.. thats just my opinion though.. JDS is debatable, overeem is probably not even in my top 20 lol

 

[100 Not Out]

Cain, JDS, Overeem etc. have all accomplished more in MMA.
Being there from the start doesn't mean you're the greatest.

Also, who cares about ''greatness''. I only care about who's best.

Big Nog is number 2 of all time. The so called being there from the start dates back to 1999 - only 15 years ago. Nog beat Coleman, Schilt, Henderson, Herring, Cro Cop, Kharitonov, Werdum, Barnett, Sylvia, Couture without naming many other really good fighters. Stop talking S***. Nog was 19-1 at one point, the only loss being a contoversial split loss to Hendo. Without losses to the GOAT he is 28-1.

Cain is poor man's Fedor.

 

[synyster]

Big Nog is number 2 of all time. The so called being there from the start dates back to 1999 - only 15 years ago. Nog beat Coleman, Schilt, Henderson, Herring, Cro Cop, Kharitonov, Werdum, Barnett, Sylvia, Couture without naming many other really good fighters. Stop talking S***. Nog was 19-1 at one point, the only loss being a contoversial split loss to Hendo. Without losses to the GOAT he is 28-1.

Cain is poor man's Fedor.

agreed lets see cains record when or if he ever even gets to 30 fights

 

[Gametheory]

Big Nog is number 2 of all time. The so called being there from the start dates back to 1999 - only 15 years ago. Nog beat Coleman, Schilt, Henderson, Herring, Cro Cop, Kharitonov, Werdum, Barnett, Sylvia, Couture without naming many other really good fighters. Stop talking S***. Nog was 19-1 at one point, the only loss being a contoversial split loss to Hendo. Without losses to the GOAT he is 28-1.

Cain is poor man's Fedor.

That's way less impressive than Cain beating JDS, Bigfoot, Lesnar, Kongo. He also beat Nog.
Same goes for JDS, who beat Cain, Werdum, Mir, Nelson and Carwin.

 

[100 Not Out]

Lmfao at post prime Fedor. Lmfao st them having a grappling match and Fedor having any chance and even getting an arm bar on the greatest HW grappler likely ever haha.

Back on topic beating Cain would put him around #2 or #3 and beating JDS after would perhaps secure the #1 spot or put him damn close depending on how we won both fights.

Fedors 5th best win is Mark or heath and that's being kind and putting Tim at #4 so honestly in my mind catching fedor isn't gonna be that hard once someone can hold onto the belt and defend it a few times Cain is already closing in for me maybe another 2 or 3 wins.

LFMAO at the idiot who doesn't give multiple Sambo world champion with 16 submission victories on his record ANY chance of beating Werdum who is making his name by beating cans and submitting 100 years old Nog. People usually cry when they are butthurt but I guess we gotta admire your spirit.

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

I don't think anyone will ever surpass Fedor, going undefeated for that long against so many different styles, beating specialists at their own games. I just don't see anyone doing anything like that.

Werdum IMO is top 4 right not all time at HW and if he beats Cain he's a very very strong number 2, Cain would have to do a shit load to pass him and IMO he wouldn't have the time due to his age and how often he gets injured. Cain, without the prestige of his belt would be behind Werdum, because Werdum has more top 10 wins higher ranked wins and a stronger strength of schedule.

 

[JamesBJJ]

LFMAO at the idiot who doesn't give multiple Sambo world champion with 16 submission victories on his record ANY chance of beating Werdum who is making his name by beating cans and submitting 100 years old Nog. People usually cry when they are butthurt but I guess we gotta admire your spirit.

 

[SKITZADACTYL]

Cain, JDS, Overeem etc. have all accomplished more in MMA.
Being there from the start doesn't mean you're the greatest.

Also, who cares about ''greatness''. I only care about who's best.

hhahahahHAHAhHAHAHAHAHAHhahahahHAHhahhAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Hanz_Blitz]

Always been a big Werdum fan and pray he somehow manages to pull off the huge upset against Cain but sadly can't see it happening

 

[CinemaKingdom]

I have Werdum in the top 5 HWs of all time. I'd have to sit around and think about it put probably in the 3-5 range. He has a lot of great wins. His biggest problem is that he sometimes shows up with that drop to his butt and wave people into his guard gameplan, even when he is winning the stand up. I'd like to see rematches with JDS and Arlovski before he retires.

 

[supernova]

That's way less impressive than Cain beating JDS, Bigfoot, Lesnar, Kongo. He also beat Nog.
Same goes for JDS, who beat Cain, Werdum, Mir, Nelson and Carwin.

lol Cain's resume is so weak you were forced to list Lesnar and Kongo???????

:redface:


Cain is a monster and could possibly be the most skilled hw we've seen but lets not fluff up his resume to be an all-time great resume. Too little fights, too many injuries, and he's fought only 2 different guys in the last what, 4 or 5 years?

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

That's way less impressive than Cain beating JDS, Bigfoot, Lesnar, Kongo. He also beat Nog.
Same goes for JDS, who beat Cain, Werdum, Mir, Nelson and Carwin.

If you think that then you need to stop posting and the Nog that Cain beat was a shell of what he used to be, this is real life not a video game, fighters don't always stay at the same level they get older and wear and tear takes it's toll.

Big Nog has the best resume at HW by a big margin, the next best is Werdum's. Cain and JDS aren't close yet, Cain only has 14 fights FFS and JDS only has 19.

 

[ColonelAngus1]

Speaking of which, you can't "submit" anyone, but they can submit to you.

When are we going to figure this one out.

What about if they don't tap and just go unconscious? Didn't you submit them then? :icon_twis

 

[RedDevilFedor]

That's way less impressive than Cain beating JDS, Bigfoot, Lesnar, Kongo. He also beat Nog.
Same goes for JDS, who beat Cain, Werdum, Mir, Nelson and Carwin.

How so? Beating the best now is more impressive than beating the best then?
Or because you follow MMA now and didn't then its more impressive?
He listed almost ten different fighters, you listed four.

 

[MeatballMagnus]

He's submitted 1 greatest heavyweight and 1 over rated heavyweight actually

 

[COBRA03]

Werdum has continued to improve greatly in his striking, and an impressive win over Velaquez would probably put him in GOAT talk. However to be considered GOAT he will have to defend his title multiple times. They say it's easier to win title than to defend it, so before we start kissing his feet, lets see if he can even win the title! I still have visions of him getting KO'd by JDS and his fighting in fear of Overeem.

 

[mkt]

Nog you banana.

Wait, he beat the Nog who had been finished in the 1st round by Mir...twice. He lost to a younger, better version of Nog. Do you give Rich Franklin the same credit for knocking out an old, worn-out version of Chuck?

 

[100 Not Out]

"Timely" good win, not butt hurt there. It is what makes GOAT human.